I am planning my own "Legacy" campaign once I get my hands on F&D for my group.

You're not the only one with this exact thought.

So what exactly is a "Legacy" campaign and how do I make one?

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Legacy

Still upset the new legacy is only going to be 18 issues long.

I am planning my own "Legacy" campaign once I get my hands on F&D for my group.

You're not the only one with this exact thought.

So what exactly is a "Legacy" campaign and how do I make one?

The Legacy comics from Dark Horse Comics took place 135 years after the events of RotJ centered around Cade Skywalker, a descendant of Luke. It incorporates many elements of the OT and KotOR like a rebellion, Empire, Jedi, Sith, Bounty Hunters. A real mx of it all.

My own idea cropped up about the time the d20 dark side supplement came out combined with the Githyanki invasion issues of Dungeon & Dragon. I made some notes about a group of Sith that disappeared into the unkown regions only to return years later to try to take the Star Wars galaxy to heel about a hundred years after RotJ. I even adapted the githyanki's use of silver swords to sith swords made of a glassteel crystal like material and thier military tech would be sith-like but influenced by the githyanki designs to give it a more alien feel.

This was all before the Legacy comics and the Lost Tribes stories.

Is it too soon to start posting "Is EotE a dead game?" threads?

Maybe I'll wait another week.

Is it too soon to start posting "Is EotE a dead game?" threads?

Maybe I'll wait another week.

When I first heard how fast they were coming out with the second and third core rule book honestly I thought WTF. It did not make sense to release a game and then release the next version of it so fast. Now with that... I was wrong. I really really like how they are coming together. As far as I can tell all these games work together so it really is just one game, with three core ways to approach playing it. You can have one person playing out of the AoR book in the party and one person playing out of the EotE book and still play. Now the new core books will add new elements of the game, but that does not make the older core books useless.

So we had a whole monh with out a mention of Edge and people are panicking? Really?We have had star wars RPG news. 4 products with one just released. Give them a chance to get the current stuff off their plates. I bet August will have a Edge release along with F&D beta.

So we had a whole monh with out a mention of Edge and people are panicking? Really?

I saw this once before, and thought it worth addressing.

First, nobody's panicking. Second, you either didn't understand what I was asking, or intentionally skewed it to play fanboy.

Yes, we had a news item for EotE about a month ago. What was that item? It was a release announcement for the only remaining item which had been announced, but not released - Jewel of Yavin. If we go back to the most recent new product announcement, it's that very same Jewel of Yavin, which was announced a month... No, wait, FOUR months ago. THAT'S what I was asking about/pointing out.

We've gone more than four months without the announcement of a new product for EotE. If we extrapolate from announcement to release of EotE products - let's keep it simple and use Jewel of Yavin - it means we're looking at a four month drought without anything new for EotE. And that assumes that they announce something tomorrow... more realistically, we're looking at six months to a year with only one or two new books.

Four months without a new book for a system is a very long time. No, I don't think it's a dead game, but it's a disappointing gap in attention for the game, and one that from the sounds of things is unlikely to get any better. Hearing about things like year-long product gaps in some of the 40K lines is depressing

And we have had the anouncement of when the beginner game for edge of rebellion was and it has been released. We have have the announcemnt of the release of the Age of Rebellion core book and GM screen. And have had the announcement of the first adventure for Age of Rebellion. So Star wars RPG news showing a very full plate with the launch of the next core book. Lets let them get that stuff off their plate. I suspect the next item announced will be edge related.

I feel like they promised too much when they started putting out career books for EotE. After putting out the first one, it basically told us that they are putting out 5 more. Until they do, the game will be incomplete because of the introduction of signature abilities. I would have much rather they put 2 careers in each SPLAT book and not given us Signature Abilities at all.

If they really want to have 3 different RPG games in Star Wars Universe they really should have a larger team so they can continue to support each line. By the way, I think that the 40k RPG team is the same as the SW RPG team so we are probably seeing the results of a small group of RPG folks splitting their time between 6 games.

Or, you know, you are acting a little bit too entitled...

I hope no one is panicking yet as this is what happens with most game companies around this time of year. You get about a month or two of silence as they make sure they can deliver what they want to by the time GenCon rolls around. That probably what the focus is on the wonderful coordination of sending close to probably 30 people to the four corners of the US and make sure they also have the supplies and goods they need to make it a great con experience for the fans. That's probably all it is really they are just like taking a moment taking a breath while still throwing out the new line.

The thing is, they aren't going to pump out more than one book a month because those books compete with each other. Despite on paper being different lines, the three games are going to mostly be bought by the same audience. Two or more books a month is going to hurt sales overall, as many fans can't keep up with that.

I doubt they are 'working' on much for EoE at this point. I bet they have rough drafts/beta versions/whatever, of the remaining career books for EoE and I agree they don't want to flood the market, If they're working on anything it's F&D. EoE and AoR now are set and out the door, more or less, so they probably have all the splat books done for EoE and are working up the ones for AoR. They're still developing F&D so if there is any design work going on I would bet that's where. Then once they've gone to open Beta on F&D I would bet they'll begin serious efforts on the splat books for that. They've probably got some ideas for adventures and sourcebooks on the side.

Or, you know, you are acting a little bit too entitled...

Ah yes, Canned Internet Response #71. I would have gone with #63 in this case, personally, since it's hard to see how #71 applies, but actually understanding the issue can be hard so it's easy to see why you went the direction you did.

Expecting a company to provide ongoing new material for the RPGs it produces is not being "entitled". Expecting them to create a structure which they can reasonably support without leaving long droughts of material and uneven levels of support for different parts of the game is not being "entitled". Expecting them to be able to produce a game with even levels of depth for the characters it suggests is not being "entitled".

Really, take a harder look at #63 next time.

With two (soon to be three) concurrent game lines, there couldn't not be a slowdown in releases per line. It might be helpful to look at things in reverse: once AoR is out, will people be saying, "no AoR supplement this month? FFG isn't supporting the line!", or will they be saying, "oh boy! New EotE book this month!"? I'd bet the latter.

Anyway, no skin off my nose, I'll take a $30/month rpg bill over a $90/month one any day.

Or, you know, you are acting a little bit too entitled...

Ah yes, Canned Internet Response #71. I would have gone with #63 in this case, personally, since it's hard to see how #71 applies, but actually understanding the issue can be hard so it's easy to see why you went the direction you did.

Expecting a company to provide ongoing new material for the RPGs it produces is not being "entitled". Expecting them to create a structure which they can reasonably support without leaving long droughts of material and uneven levels of support for different parts of the game is not being "entitled". Expecting them to be able to produce a game with even levels of depth for the characters it suggests is not being "entitled".

Really, take a harder look at #63 next time.

Wow, congratulations on pretty much failing to grasp anything about what it was I reacted on but still thinking mine was a canned response.

Things like "promised too much", "incomplete game", "they should have a larger team" when the last release was not even a month ago are indeed things to be seen as entitled reactions. So are false claims of "long droughts" for that matter.

Whether I feel entitled or not, I don't feel comfortable in allowing Signature Abilities in my game until every character in my group has access to them. It would be nice to know when/if that will happen.

Wow, congratulations on pretty much failing to grasp anything about what it was I reacted on but still thinking mine was a canned response.

Things like "promised too much", "incomplete game", "they should have a larger team" when the last release was not even a month ago are indeed things to be seen as entitled reactions. So are false claims of "long droughts" for that matter.

Whether they promised too much probably depends on your definition of "promise". RPGs are historically ongoing affairs with books that deepen and expand all aspects of the games, not just a few before the company wanders off.

Whether the game is incomplete is probably a matter of opinion. It is, at the very least, inconsistently developed, with certain aspects and careers having a great deal more information than others. That much is pretty much incontrovertible.

Given the way they've chosen to do this, I think the expectation that they have a larger team has nothing to do with any sense of entitlement. They choose to produce this as separate products, conveniently forcing everyone to buy very expensive primary books that duplicate 80% of the material. If they're going to market them as separate products, it doesn't seem all that unrealistic to me to expect that they support them as separate products.

Yes, the last release was a month ago. The last announcement of a new product was more than four months ago. Which means we're most likely looking at four months, minimum, with no new products for EotE. Four months with no new products for an RPG is indeed a long drought. Or do you suppose that FFG's going to surprise everyone with an unannounced release next month?

So yes, I think I grasped what you were trying to say perfectly - and every shred of it was shallow fanboy apologetics wrapped in a generic, mindless internet canned response. Really, do you have any idea what "entitlement" actually means? Because expecting a company to meet industry standards of support for a game of a given type ain't it.

Whether they promised too much probably depends on your definition of "promise". RPGs are historically ongoing affairs with books that deepen and expand all aspects of the games, not just a few before the company wanders off.

Whether the game is incomplete is probably a matter of opinion. It is, at the very least, inconsistently developed, with certain aspects and careers having a great deal more information than others. That much is pretty much incontrovertible.

Given the way they've chosen to do this, I think the expectation that they have a larger team has nothing to do with any sense of entitlement.

They choose to produce this as separate products, conveniently forcing everyone to buy very expensive primary books that duplicate 80% of the material.

If they're going to market them as separate products, it doesn't seem all that unrealistic to me to expect that they support them as separate products.

Yes, the last release was a month ago. The last announcement of a new product was more than four months ago. Which means we're most likely looking at four months, minimum, with no new products for EotE.

Four months with no new products for an RPG is indeed a long drought. Or do you suppose that FFG's going to surprise everyone with an unannounced release next month?

So yes, I think I grasped what you were trying to say perfectly - and every shred of it was shallow fanboy apologetics wrapped in a generic, mindless internet canned response.

Really, do you have any idea what "entitlement" actually means? Because expecting a company to meet industry standards of support for a game of a given type ain't it.

Okay, I think a deep knee bend or breath might be 'entitled' here. Lets just relax and enjoy a few key points

1)Around July last year Order 66 podcast when EotE came out they had the head of marketing on and he stated that they live in the future! Products we are seeing today were being worked on this time last year.

2)FFG is not the 'sole' owner of the Star Wars rights and still have to get Lucasfilm (now Disney) approval before they can even green light a book to go into the playtest phase. So while they may have lets say 4 more adventures for EotE and the rest of the career books they still have to talk to the 'boss'.

3) The 'boss' is a much larger and profound company than a lot of people, including me, can fathom and has their own agenda on top of FFG's. Right now they are gearing up for five movies, at least one tv series, and probably the relaunch of the comic book line under Marvel. So while FFG I have no doubt is ready to go to hyperspace, the 'boss' might need a few more minutes to make sure that hyperspace plot is on course.

4) The printing in my best guess since they have stated on their website that their product is on a boat leads me to believe that printing occurs out of country. Now while I do not doubt the printers being capable of churning out all the products that FFG may have ready the question they ask is an obvious one. "Where my money at?" or "Show me the money!" but they also probably have multiple clients who are also giving them money wanting them to print their products to. So I bet that there is probably a short queue that FFG has to go through to get their runs done.

So there was mention of industry standards, fanboys, meeting the demands of customers, and of course marketing the product. Unfortunately the game changed on FFG after they acquired the license from at the time George Lucas and Lucasfilm and it has now shifted over to Lucasfilm and is under Disney.

So lets go through those points:

Industry standards: Whose industry because the RPG industry is actually relatively small little inkling in the industry that is Star Wars (and yes I classify Star Wars as an industry unto itself).

Fanboys: Fans of what the now called Legendary, the movie purists, the all around media fan, the video game fan, all of the above, some of the above, or some of the other numerous unlisted fan boys of the industry that is Star Wars? If we going to talk fans I am going to be honest there pretty bitching fan girls out there. Where is the love for them? I now refer myself back to the point about the RPG being a sliver of the industry.

Meeting the demands of customers? A book a month is actually pretty good considering there is any number of issues that can come up due to unforeseen circumstances. For example when the nuclear plant in Japan had all those issues I was working in the car industry and due to the radiation leak a lot of the painting production plants had a contamination problem. So I was calling up about ten people a day for 2 weeks to still get their car on time only in a different color or they could wait an additional 3 to 6 months until a new batch of raw materials could be mixed to redo the color. By the way a lot of paint that comes out of Japan goes to car manufacturers across the board so I wasn't the only one making those calls.Not all of us want more as fast as possible. Personally I would like good quality products in a timely manner, however, having done development projects I can also understand when delays occur and instead of releasing a bad product I hold off for a bit. I may be alone in this point of view but I doubt it. FFG has done actually imo a superb job of delivering quality products that I can be proud to call myself a SWRPG fan for (WotC hurt me often I have to admit).

Marketing the product: I don't think they have done a bad job in marketing any of the products that FFG has released lately. In fact if you go to the shop you will see that they have to do a lot of reprints for all of their games. So marketing must be doing pretty good in getting the word out. Also I have yet to see or hear any claim from FFG that they will have an absolute set schedule for any of their products be it star wars or not. Then there is the fact that con season is coming up with Origins and GenCon the two primary places that a lot of the RPG industry goes to collect their awards for good product and usually introduce the next project or product. To be honest I am hoping that after GenCon I will be able to get my hands on F&D Beta at either my local game store or at DragonCon my local con.

BTW I am still in the Rejoice camp and not panicking. Why? Cause I am still reading the books because I don't have a ton of time to dedicate to reading them at least the last few months. Nor for that matter have I actually owned them for that long either. Why? I have been witness to the RPG industry for many years now and have seen SW from WEG come and the Saga Edition go, I honestly wasn't sure whether FFG was going to pull this off and did not want to get pulled into something that, imo again, was not properly finished. After seeing things and how FFG has been going I have faith I will see F&D core rulebook next year and then I will have all 3 core books and a lot of supplements I think I will come out just fine.

Thank you for reading this flash long winded speech I shall now roll Leadership to see if I succeed.....I will say difficulty 2 with a challenge die and with 2 setback the two for the force that is the internet be it good or bad. I shall now roll 2 green and one yellow for I do think I am at least trained in speech making lets see how I do. 4 successes, 2 failures, 2 threat, and a despair. Ouch I kind of saw that despair coming but I was hoping for a triumph.

Deck officer you may need to lock this thread due to my despair. Hmmmm I think I will take the two strain as I am getting a headache and hope that my one success carry on through to the other side.

Thank you again. (edited do to not counting the despair as a failure as well.)

Now I'm starting to think I should have posted that "EotE is a dead line" thread last week. I think we missed our window to mourn the game.

At this point the game is clearly unsupported and the forums are a ghost town, haunted by fans who won't let go.

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So now, they "wandered off"? So the 3 weeks between JoY and now is them "wandering off"?

EotE products just happen to stop coming out about the time AoR ones ramp up. Would you prefer "Strategically reallocated resources from one game to another, leaving the former game with no new products for an extended period of time"?

And you really have zero concept of lead or development time, do you? I'll say it again, slowly... EotE books have reliably been announced 4 months before their release. At this point we have exhausted all the released products, and can realistically expect no new EotE products for at least 4 months, very probably more. We're at the leading edge of a lapse in new products for EotE. I'm not sure why that concept is so hard to grasp, or you keep thinking that having something released a few weeks ago changes it.

No, it is a game that is ever developing and claiming that some parts of the game have more information because they had their books released earlier on in a cycle is about as cynical a way to look at RPG's as I have ever seen.

There is a natural expectation that things will take time to come out, which is fine. When the releases stop right in the middle of it, it leaves things a bit unbalanced. Call it cynical if you like (although I think that's right there with "entitled" in your vocabulary) but it certainly does leave the game uneven.

heck, four months... Is that all? Heck at my age that is over in no time. Then again I guess I have been playing RPG's for the last 25 years and am thankful to see a company giving a **** about quality control and delivering a well thought package instead of spitting out book after book of useless tripe every 3 weeks.

Your right - I'd hate to see the quality that would come from something as crazy as monthly releases.

Suns of Fortune: End of January

Dangerous Covenants: End of February

Jewel of Yavin: End of March

Enter the Unknown: Early December

Uhm... Hm. Whoops.

And only 25 years? Pfft. I'll leave it to your imagination to guess how many more years I've been playing. I'd hate to show you up too dramatically because after all, if my opinion was invalid because you had more years than I did, then yours becomes invalid when I have more than you, right? Oooh, wait - we're back to Canned Internet Response #73, moving to subvariation C - "Kids These Days Are So Entitled", aren't we? I still think you'd be better off with "First World Problems", but I can admire your ongoing dedication to the effort.

So, to summarize: Nobody's claiming the game is dying, but I would much rather have seen ongoing development for it rather than a 4-6 month break due to the way they fragment the line. I guess that's too much for some people to handle without breaking down their walker and trying to shoo assumed-kids off their lawn.

Holy moly. I almost pine for the days when people cried, "they've split the game into three games!".

Now people are crying, "One third of the game only has five sourcebooks!"

Doesn't anybody want a little Rebellion action in their Star Wars?

There has not been a 4-6 month gap. at most 3 months. We don't know what is coming in July. and we know there is a beta coming in august. But I suspect there will be a release in August in addition to F&D.

You seriously need to relax. When they reach Palladium levels of delay I will agree you can complain. But at the moment I don't think you have room to complain. There is also the detail that you will get a ton of useful material in Age of Rebellion. New ships, Adversaries, Droids, Equipment, etc.

and there is ongoing developement. As has been mentioned they have product being worked on a year in advance of it being released. a one month lull is not that bad. At least it is not a multi year of promising product and not getting it.