Now I'm starting to think I should have posted that "EotE is a dead line" thread last week. I think we missed our window to mourn the game.

At this point the game is clearly unsupported and the forums are a ghost town, haunted by fans who won't let go.

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Sounds like someone's been visiting the Saga Edition forums.

Your right - I'd hate to see the quality that would come from something as crazy as monthly releases.

Suns of Fortune: End of January

Dangerous Covenants: End of February

Jewel of Yavin: End of March

Enter the Unknown: Early December

Uhm... Hm. Whoops.

Edge of the Empire Core Rulebook: June

Beyond the Rim: End of August

.....

Enter the Unknown: Early December....

Whoops. So much for consistent releases every month. By my count that's at least a 3 month gap and at most a 4 month gap. Right after the core was released too. Unacceptable!..

My belief is that to avoid conflict with Age of Rebellion and to make sure said product and the F&D Beta is released on time they are putting their effort into that right now. Once all the Age stuff is out or while it is being released I predict we'll get announcements of new EotE stuff. Once an entire year passes with no news about a new book, then it's time to start speculation on the games death. Once two years passes we're gonna need to order the coffin. Until those milestones are reached this game is still alive and kicking.

They haven't announced a Bounty Hunter splat book. That would be money in the bank for FFG so I am sure EoE has not gone anywhere yet. It would be one of their top sellers, who doesn't have or GM a BH?

Your right - I'd hate to see the quality that would come from something as crazy as monthly releases.

Suns of Fortune: End of January

Dangerous Covenants: End of February

Jewel of Yavin: End of March

Enter the Unknown: Early December

Uhm... Hm. Whoops.

Edge of the Empire Core Rulebook: June

Beyond the Rim: End of August

.....

Enter the Unknown: Early December....

Whoops. So much for consistent releases every month. By my count that's at least a 3 month gap and at most a 4 month gap. Right after the core was released too. Unacceptable!..

My belief is that to avoid conflict with Age of Rebellion and to make sure said product and the F&D Beta is released on time they are putting their effort into that right now. Once all the Age stuff is out or while it is being released I predict we'll get announcements of new EotE stuff. Once an entire year passes with no news about a new book, then it's time to start speculation on the games death. Once two years passes we're gonna need to order the coffin. Until those milestones are reached this game is still alive and kicking.

And that 3 month gap after the Age release will be filled with Edge and F&D beta this time.

Complaining now after 1 month smacks of whining to me. I am sure they will happilly take a 20K donation to hire more workers to satisfy your demands.

I'm on your side man. I don't think we should be complaining and was pointing out that we've already had a gap in the Edge line, so another while the Age line launches is no big deal.

Do any of you guys really believe that FFG is going to let easy money get away. These guys are the Marvel comics of games. Trust me, you'll be getting more than enough product.

Here are my predictions and I'll take real money bets, if anyone wants to take me up on it.

1 - Every Core book will have a resource book for EVERY career.

2 - There will be adventure books released around the same time as the career books, highlighting that specific career.

3 - Each line will have at least one if not two Sector Sourcebooks.

4 - There will be cards for each career specialization.

5 - Disney will not yank the Star Wars license away from FFG, like many are suggesting, because there is no good reason for them to do so.

6 - I predict that those who complain about this game complain about most others as well. This is your right and your opinions are as valid as anyone else's, until they're proven wrong.

Finally, I think there is a good chance FFG fosters a good enough relationship with Disney/Lucas that we may see more games to come. Who currently has the license for the Marvel comics RPG? I know the Margaret Weiss version is dead? Could FFG be in the running? I'd say if they were in the running they'd be the ones to beat.

Look FFG may not have Magic the Gathering money, but they're a solid company, producing mostly well received games in a niche market where there is not much in the way of quality competition. Seriously stop worrying so much guys. It's going to be ok. If I'm wrong and FFG screws the pooch, well, that'll suck. Won't happen though. Not under current leadership anyway.

Do any of you guys really believe that FFG is going to let easy money get away. These guys are the Marvel comics of games. Trust me, you'll be getting more than enough product.

Here are my predictions and I'll take real money bets, if anyone wants to take me up on it.

1 - Every Core book will have a resource book for EVERY career.

2 - There will be adventure books released around the same time as the career books, highlighting that specific career.

3 - Each line will have at least one if not two Sector Sourcebooks.

4 - There will be cards for each career specialization.

5 - Disney will not yank the Star Wars license away from FFG, like many are suggesting, because there is no good reason for them to do so.

6 - I predict that those who complain about this game complain about most others as well. This is your right and your opinions are as valid as anyone else's, until they're proven wrong.

Finally, I think there is a good chance FFG fosters a good enough relationship with Disney/Lucas that we may see more games to come. Who currently has the license for the Marvel comics RPG? I know the Margaret Weiss version is dead? Could FFG be in the running? I'd say if they were in the running they'd be the ones to beat.

Look FFG may not have Magic the Gathering money, but they're a solid company, producing mostly well received games in a niche market where there is not much in the way of quality competition. Seriously stop worrying so much guys. It's going to be ok. If I'm wrong and FFG screws the pooch, well, that'll suck. Won't happen though. Not under current leadership anyway.

I agree with almost every point. The only one that I think could be wrong is Disney yanking the gaming rights. Honestly it depends on how well FFG does, if the game gets wildly popular, then I see them stepping in, but as long as its not big money they will probably ignore it because the profits would not cover lawyer fees.

Do any of you guys really believe that FFG is going to let easy money get away. These guys are the Marvel comics of games. Trust me, you'll be getting more than enough product.

Here are my predictions and I'll take real money bets, if anyone wants to take me up on it.

1 - Every Core book will have a resource book for EVERY career.

2 - There will be adventure books released around the same time as the career books, highlighting that specific career.

3 - Each line will have at least one if not two Sector Sourcebooks.

4 - There will be cards for each career specialization.

5 - Disney will not yank the Star Wars license away from FFG, like many are suggesting, because there is no good reason for them to do so.

6 - I predict that those who complain about this game complain about most others as well. This is your right and your opinions are as valid as anyone else's, until they're proven wrong.

Finally, I think there is a good chance FFG fosters a good enough relationship with Disney/Lucas that we may see more games to come. Who currently has the license for the Marvel comics RPG? I know the Margaret Weiss version is dead? Could FFG be in the running? I'd say if they were in the running they'd be the ones to beat.

Look FFG may not have Magic the Gathering money, but they're a solid company, producing mostly well received games in a niche market where there is not much in the way of quality competition. Seriously stop worrying so much guys. It's going to be ok. If I'm wrong and FFG screws the pooch, well, that'll suck. Won't happen though. Not under current leadership anyway.

I agree with almost every point. The only one that I think could be wrong is Disney yanking the gaming rights. Honestly it depends on how well FFG does, if the game gets wildly popular, then I see them stepping in, but as long as its not big money they will probably ignore it because the profits would not cover lawyer fees.

That's the thing though, Disney/Lucas already has their money from FFG. FFG pays a licensing fee, then they get to make a game and profit from it. I would venture to say that ALL RPG's are for a niche market. Seriously, how popular can any RPG get these days. There's just not enough people playing them, even if there are more people than ever playing RPG's.

WoTC gave up the license and it was probably due to them not making enough money, in their opinion, to make it worth their time. The same thing happened with the Marvel RPG. Margaret Weiss games gave up the license, because it wasn't selling enough to generate money to cover the licensing fee. If SW RPG goes to another company, it will have more to do with FFG than it will Disney/Lucas.

Unless Disney/Lucas decide to form their own company to create RPG's. Since they just shut down Lucas Arts and are now farming out their video games, I'd say the chances of them starting their own RPG is slim to none. It all comes down to numbers and players. Look at the payers on the board. Who is going to take SW away from FFG? Look at the numbers. These particular numbers will always be small potatoes compared to video games, toys, clothes, etc. most of which is made not by Disney/Lucas, but OTHER licensers.

In my completely uninformed and uneducated opinion anyway.

Also every indication is FFG is doing well with the product. X-wing is selling so fast they are only now being able to keep stock on the shelves for more than a week. When wave 4 comes out i suspect that will not stay in stock for long for a couple print runs.

The Edge core book has had a second printing already. So it is likely doing just fine.

They do have to manage their staffing resources. Though. And it is a good idea to not put too much product out at once.

They do have to manage their staffing resources. Though. And it is a good idea to not put too much product out at once.

This I agree with. I have no idea how many people work for FFG or how many people are even on these games, but I can't imagine it's too many. If there really is a slow down in releases, I imagine this would be why.

Look, one day FFG and SW will part ways. This is the way of things. I just think it's a little too soon to start worrying about it. If Disney buys a game company, then we'll have real cause to worry.

The license is for 5 years. We will at minimum see the release of Force and Destiny and any product between now and then. And I suspect they will renew for another 5 years. Star wars has been a gold mine for FFG.

So now, they "wandered off"? So the 3 weeks between JoY and now is them "wandering off"?

EotE products just happen to stop coming out about the time AoR ones ramp up. Would you prefer "Strategically reallocated resources from one game to another, leaving the former game with no new products for an extended period of time"?

And you really have zero concept of lead or development time, do you? I'll say it again, slowly... EotE books have reliably been announced 4 months before their release. At this point we have exhausted all the released products, and can realistically expect no new EotE products for at least 4 months, very probably more. We're at the leading edge of a lapse in new products for EotE. I'm not sure why that concept is so hard to grasp, or you keep thinking that having something released a few weeks ago changes it.

No, it is a game that is ever developing and claiming that some parts of the game have more information because they had their books released earlier on in a cycle is about as cynical a way to look at RPG's as I have ever seen.

There is a natural expectation that things will take time to come out, which is fine. When the releases stop right in the middle of it, it leaves things a bit unbalanced. Call it cynical if you like (although I think that's right there with "entitled" in your vocabulary) but it certainly does leave the game uneven.

heck, four months... Is that all? Heck at my age that is over in no time. Then again I guess I have been playing RPG's for the last 25 years and am thankful to see a company giving a **** about quality control and delivering a well thought package instead of spitting out book after book of useless tripe every 3 weeks.

Your right - I'd hate to see the quality that would come from something as crazy as monthly releases.

Suns of Fortune: End of January

Dangerous Covenants: End of February

Jewel of Yavin: End of March

Enter the Unknown: Early December

Uhm... Hm. Whoops.

And only 25 years? Pfft. I'll leave it to your imagination to guess how many more years I've been playing. I'd hate to show you up too dramatically because after all, if my opinion was invalid because you had more years than I did, then yours becomes invalid when I have more than you, right? Oooh, wait - we're back to Canned Internet Response #73, moving to subvariation C - "Kids These Days Are So Entitled", aren't we? I still think you'd be better off with "First World Problems", but I can admire your ongoing dedication to the effort.

So, to summarize: Nobody's claiming the game is dying, but I would much rather have seen ongoing development for it rather than a 4-6 month break due to the way they fragment the line. I guess that's too much for some people to handle without breaking down their walker and trying to shoo assumed-kids off their lawn.

Funny how you chose to only address half of my post. You do know I was promised a complete reply? It is a forum standard. Perhaps you need to have a larger team working on you forum posts!!! I feel neglected...

You know ongoing developement. Hmmm we have Age of Rebellion Core and GM Screen coming out next month. That is proof of ongoing development. We have an adventure coming in a couple months. More proof of development. We are pretty sure we are going to get Force and Destiny in August. More proof o ongoing development. FFG has told us they are working on stuff a year ahead. IE the stuff they are working on now will be seen in a year. If you want it to come out faster pony up the money to cover the cost of hiring more people.

They do have to manage their staffing resources. Though. And it is a good idea to not put too much product out at once.

This I agree with. I have no idea how many people work for FFG or how many people are even on these games, but I can't imagine it's too many. If there really is a slow down in releases, I imagine this would be why.

Look, one day FFG and SW will part ways. This is the way of things. I just think it's a little too soon to start worrying about it. If Disney buys a game company, then we'll have real cause to worry.

Pops open book I count 46 people in the core edge book. And a large number of those are art.

5 - Disney will not yank the Star Wars license away from FFG, like many are suggesting, because there is no good reason for them to do so.

I can think of one good reason. Money. If they think they can get more money in a bidding war, they may choose to go that route. With the new movies and cartoon coming out, there is increasing interst in this evergreen product. Money always trumps in business.

I've seen many people express their fears of Disney "taking away the license" what I wonder is; can they?

It hardly seems plausible and I guess FFG paid a fine sum to have the rights for 5 years, sure after that it is anyone's guess, but aren't those five years a given?

I highly doubt Lucasfilms prior or Disney now signed any licenses that didn't give them the nuclear option in regards to contract termination.

Here is my theory on this matter and mind you it is just a theory: Previous statements I agree with unless Disney develops their own RPG company or purchases one I do not see them yanking the license. Also I agree with the statement that RPG doesn't make up much of their profit margin at all and as long as it is the small niche market that it will be left well enough alone. Now whether or not they can just yank it I am sure that there are clauses and standard breach of contract agreements in the license that would allow them to but FFG seems to be very a)careful with what they publish and b)very informative to all (including us) when things go wibbly wobbly timey wimey on things. For example they were very apologetic to fans when the Edge core rule came out who ordered it the B&N and that wasn't even FFG's fault. They listened and looked in to what they could do to improve this in the future, though whether any of this bears fruit is another matter which will probably get answered either June or July whenever the book gets here for AoR. Also to pull a license before a contract is up involves legal fees and again I doubt the RPG profit margin even covers that. Finally Disney does a TON of outsourcing for pretty much everything under the sun. Even their own productions are mostly outsourced offsite (though ironically they own most of the companies they outsource to) and then consolidated in one place. To be honest I think that Disney got a windfall in their deal as ILM and Skywalker Sound are both huge money makers because other film makers working for other film giants like Warner Bros. still use them. So again unless FFG really makes a blip on the radar I doubt we will see change until the contract is up. After that who knows that still a few years off.

I see no reason Disney would be yanking contracts. I'm sure they can but if they are getting paid they have no reason to. I've no idea how FFG's license works, if they pay some % annually or something or it was a lump sum upfront, but if they are paying/paid the bills, and they aren't screwing up canon in some outrageous way, I'm sure they are fine. I think that's why they went with basing the game in the OT. It's the Old Testament of Star Wars and it wasn't going to change. Safe ground canon wise.

I've seen many people express their fears of Disney "taking away the license" what I wonder is; can they?

It hardly seems plausible and I guess FFG paid a fine sum to have the rights for 5 years, sure after that it is anyone's guess, but aren't those five years a given?

As a huge fan of Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay I'm used to FFG coming to a screeching halt on amazing projects. Of course I hope that doesn't happen to Star Wars. With that said if we get the full, intended release of this system I will be equally parts thankful and pleasantly surprised. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst kind of deal. I think any GM who threw half a grand into WFRP just to watch it faceplant into silence will share that raised eyebrow with me. I hope the Star Wars IP and Disney deal holds a little more integrity than the wacky arrangements they must have made with Games Workshop.

5 - Disney will not yank the Star Wars license away from FFG, like many are suggesting, because there is no good reason for them to do so.

I can think of one good reason. Money. If they think they can get more money in a bidding war, they may choose to go that route. With the new movies and cartoon coming out, there is increasing interst in this evergreen product. Money always trumps in business.

That's not how licenses work. A company pays money up front for use of their IP for a certain amount of time. Unless some clause in the contract is breached the people who sold the license can't just take it back.

I know a lot of people have said, "Well they took the comics from Dark Horse." Yeah, but that was a given seeing as how Disney had bought arguably the most successful comic book company of all time. Just putting Marvel on the cover will increase sales tenfold, regardless of whether the stories are better or not. Even then, Disney/Lucas didn't pull the license. They just didn't renew it.

As we speak Dark Horse still has the license and is making Star Wars comics. When the contract ends in 2015, it will go to Marvel.

Money isn't the issue. Disney/Lucas have already been paid!

Am I missing something, or has it gone completely silent on upcoming books for EotE? Is this normal for FFG's multi-system game worlds?

I have helped take this post way off track. Sorry.

Am I missing something, or has it gone completely silent on upcoming books for EotE? Is this normal for FFG's multi-system game worlds?

I have helped take this post way off track. Sorry.

Money isn't the issue. Disney/Lucas have already been paid!

I never said that they haven't already been paid. I am refering to when the license expires. which could be next year given common estimates. At that point the license may be put up for the highest bidder. Money is always the issue for companies. If they think they will reap more benefits from some other option, they will do it as it serves the bottom line better.

Am I missing something, or has it gone completely silent on upcoming books for EotE? Is this normal for FFG's multi-system game worlds?

I have helped take this post way off track. Sorry.

It's fine. Very few people seemed to SEE THE ACTUAL INTEND BEHIND the question in the first place. Either way, the few who did provided the answer.

There fixed it for you.