300 meters or less...

By MajorTomK, in X-Wing

Please no Star Destroyer talk here. This is about ships of 300 meters or less. There's currently 15 pages worth of Star Destroyer talk going on.

Vigil Class Corvette, at 255 meters, is included in my list. It joins the Imperial Custom Corvette as my favourite Imperial ships for this game. Partly because they both look right for "small" Empire ships.

I think the Vigil is the most iconic-Imperial shaped craft in the specified size limit, but even at the Epic (1/500, 1/540?) scale, it would be pushing about 20"...I'd love to see it though!

I'd love to see a 20in vigil. However with a 3foot wide epic battle layout I'd be surprised to see anything that long.

So, let's try and put a couple of these ships into the Epic point system... if the Corvette is 3 and the Transport is 2, where could some of these ships fall into the scale?

Carrack-Class Light Cruiser (350m) - 5 Epic points?
EF76-B Nebulon-class Escort Frigate (300m) - 5 Epic points?
I really do think these would be pushing the limit of what is feasible in the current ruleset to breaking point. I couldn't see them being fielded for less than 200 points a pop, more with upgrades.
Vigil-Class Corvette (255m) - 4 Epic points?
Lancer-Class Frigate (250m) - 4 Epic points?
Tartan-Class Patrol Cruiser (250m) - 4 Epic points?
150 to 200 point range, they'd still allow you to field a fair number of smaller ships and fighters in support.
Marauder-class Corvette (195m) - 3 Epic points?
Imperial Customs Corvette (180m) - 3 Epic points?
IPV-1 System Patrol Craft (120m) - 3 Epic points?
SCT Long-Range Scout Craft (75m) - 2 Epic points?
As close as we can get in scale to the Corvette, and probably would weigh in at the 75 to 150 point range.
Container Transport (200m) - 2 Epic points?
Action IV Transport (125m) - 2 Epic points?
BFF-1 Bulk Freighter (120m) - 2 Epic points?
Mobquet Medium Transport (113m) - 2 Epic points?
As Imperial counterparts to the Rebel Transport, or even available to both factions, lightly-armed support ships could vary in points quite considerably depending on their role. The unarmed BFF-1 could be similar to the Rebel Transport in the 2535 point range, while the Action IV could be anywhere up to 100.

Judge them by their size do you? And well you should not.

Frigates and Cruisers for 5, Corvettes and Patrol Craft for 3, Transports for 2.

The Vigil is an odd beastie as a heavy corvette, I'd bump it up to Cruiser level, which is where Wookieepedia has it as well.

Then, model wise, you could fudge a little and make the corvettes a wee bit smaller and cruisers and frigates somewhat bigger.

I mean, do we really care if a Marauder is remodelled to 150 meters instead of 195?

Likewise add another 25 meters to the 250 meter ships so the models end up about the same size.

Only make the 5 pointers feasible in a new format, Legendary or Iconic. :P .

500 points, 8 epic points.

Great ideas!

The only thing I don't like about the Carrack is that it resembles something that my inner 10yr old giggles thinking about. ;)

.....and there's more...

SCT Long-Range Scout Craft (75m long)

A lightly-armed reconnaissance vessel that would seem to be a perfect Imperial equivalent to the Rebel Transport, buffing nearby allies or debuffing enemy ships.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/SCT_Scout_craft

Tell you what, the more I look at this little gem, the more I'd like to see one. I wonder if I could persuade Gosric to take a look...

.....and there's more...

SCT Long-Range Scout Craft (75m long)

A lightly-armed reconnaissance vessel that would seem to be a perfect Imperial equivalent to the Rebel Transport, buffing nearby allies or debuffing enemy ships.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/SCT_Scout_craft

Tell you what, the more I look at this little gem, the more I'd like to see one. I wonder if I could persuade Gosric to take a look...

You can see one flying from 4:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zos_PotF80I

Its a bit of an odd design but could be made easily enough. Though a bit of a slimmed down redesign would work better as that thick body at three times the length of a YT1300 would cost a fortune. I try to build things as cheaply as possible but there is a limits to how little material something uses. But what scale are we talking here?

I would like to see the Gamma-class, complete with deployable Spacetroopers, and the Storm Commando Imperial Escort Carrier with the TIE Hunter and TIE Advanced.

Its a bit of an odd design but could be made easily enough. Though a bit of a slimmed down redesign would work better as that thick body at three times the length of a YT1300 would cost a fortune. I try to build things as cheaply as possible but there is a limits to how little material something uses. But what scale are we talking here?

Wow - thanks for the unexpected reply Gosric! It's certainly a wide little bird - although at 75m wouldn't it be closer to twice the length of a YT-1300, no? I appreciate it would become much thicker than the slimline Falcon towards the rear of the ship though.

I was just really wondering how feasible you thought the design might be for production to be honest - how pricey do you think it might become at the 1/270 scale? Is the Corvette closer to 1/350?

i was going by the wiki notes. it said three times the length but that depends on what the length of the Falcon is which is still debated in some circles as the interior just does not fit the 20 something mtr size.

Id have to do a quick undetailed mockup and upload it to shapeways to get an idea of the price as they set the base cost not me. That wouldnt take too long to do and luckily. with the simple shape. hollowing out to minimize material use would be easy and that should make it a bit cheaper than some of the more complex shaped models. I'd hesitate to make a guess but it would 'probably' be comparable to the Tantive mini

Please no Star Destroyer talk here. This is about ships of 300 meters or less. There's currently 15 pages worth of Star Destroyer talk going on.

...15+ per thread, given that there are several such threads. (Regarding those: I do like the idea of the ISD gameboard, though I would like it to have a slant to it.)

I'm still rooting for the Lancer, if not the Tartan. Both have an eminent role in a game such as this, given that they're anti-starfighter ships.

Please no Star Destroyer talk here. This is about ships of 300 meters or less. There's currently 15 pages worth of Star Destroyer talk going on.

...15+ per thread, given that there are several such threads. (Regarding those: I do like the idea of the ISD gameboard, though I would like it to have a slant to it.)

I'm still rooting for the Lancer, if not the Tartan. Both have an eminent role in a game such as this, given that they're anti-starfighter ships.

While I actually like the design of the Lancer, I'd be a little worried about putting it in the game. It was supposed to be a death knell for any starfighter to go against and cover the Imperial vulnerability to starfighters. In regards to that mission, it was a complete success since with 20 quad laser cannons it would completely demolish starfighters. To put it in perspective, Rogue Squadron, which routinely went up against ISD's, got really worried when they had to fight one Lancer. Just from a canon perspective, the Lancer would have more of an impact on our dogfighting game, and be more effective against starfighters, than probably any other big ship we could think of.

-Edit- It would probably make more sense to go with the Tartan since you aren't really constrained by the folkore so much. It's much more feasible to tweak.

Edited by SpaceDingo

Please no Star Destroyer talk here. This is about ships of 300 meters or less. There's currently 15 pages worth of Star Destroyer talk going on.

...15+ per thread, given that there are several such threads. (Regarding those: I do like the idea of the ISD gameboard, though I would like it to have a slant to it.)

I'm still rooting for the Lancer, if not the Tartan. Both have an eminent role in a game such as this, given that they're anti-starfighter ships.

While I actually like the design of the Lancer, I'd be a little worried about putting it in the game. It was supposed to be a death knell for any starfighter to go against and cover the Imperial vulnerability to starfighters. In regards to that mission, it was a complete success since with 20 quad laser cannons it would completely demolish starfighters. To put it in perspective, Rogue Squadron, which routinely went up against ISD's, got really worried when they had to fight one Lancer. Just from a canon perspective, the Lancer would have more of an impact on our dogfighting game, and be more effective against starfighters, than probably any other big ship we could think of.

Until Corran Horn played follow the leader with a Squadron's Worth of Twinlinked Torpedoes (It would have made an Epic Scene in the new movies if Disney would implement it)

Honestly, this is the best thread for Imperial Epic Ships. If anyone asks, point them here...

Please no Star Destroyer talk here. This is about ships of 300 meters or less. There's currently 15 pages worth of Star Destroyer talk going on.

...15+ per thread, given that there are several such threads. (Regarding those: I do like the idea of the ISD gameboard, though I would like it to have a slant to it.)

I'm still rooting for the Lancer, if not the Tartan. Both have an eminent role in a game such as this, given that they're anti-starfighter ships.

While I actually like the design of the Lancer, I'd be a little worried about putting it in the game. It was supposed to be a death knell for any starfighter to go against and cover the Imperial vulnerability to starfighters. In regards to that mission, it was a complete success since with 20 quad laser cannons it would completely demolish starfighters. To put it in perspective, Rogue Squadron, which routinely went up against ISD's, got really worried when they had to fight one Lancer. Just from a canon perspective, the Lancer would have more of an impact on our dogfighting game, and be more effective against starfighters, than probably any other big ship we could think of.

Until Corran Horn played follow the leader with a Squadron's Worth of Twinlinked Torpedoes (It would have made an Epic Scene in the new movies if Disney would implement it)

Looking back on it, being a Rogue Squadron pilot in the books seemed to involve a lot of creating ways of applying a proton torpedo to your problem.

While I actually like the design of the Lancer, I'd be a little worried about putting it in the game. It was supposed to be a death knell for any starfighter to go against and cover the Imperial vulnerability to starfighters. In regards to that mission, it was a complete success since with 20 quad laser cannons it would completely demolish starfighters. To put it in perspective, Rogue Squadron, which routinely went up against ISD's, got really worried when they had to fight one Lancer. Just from a canon perspective, the Lancer would have more of an impact on our dogfighting game, and be more effective against starfighters, than probably any other big ship we could think of.

Until Corran Horn played follow the leader with a Squadron's Worth of Twinlinked Torpedoes (It would have made an Epic Scene in the new movies if Disney would implement it)

Looking back on it, being a Rogue Squadron pilot in the books seemed to involve a lot of creating ways of applying a proton torpedo to your problem.

I heard a saying somewhere "There is no problem in the world that can't be solved with the correct application of High Explosives", It must have been their unoffical motto, like Wraith Squadron's (well Wes Janson's) was "yub yub Commander"

Whatever comes better be grey and triangular shaped. Like a baby Star

Destroyer. Not interested in anything else or some EU nonsense.

Looks like the Vigil is the best bet.

Edited by madquest8

I wouldn't be at all surprised if they don't do any more huge ships. There are no Imperial ships in that size range that are distinctly Empire.

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Almost to the correct size (short by 3-4 inches in length).

So rooting for a Vigil and a Gozanti.

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Almost to the correct size (short by 3-4 inches in length).

So rooting for a Vigil and a Gozanti.

Looks perfect to me!!

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Almost to the correct size (short by 3-4 inches in length).

So rooting for a Vigil and a Gozanti.

Looks perfect to me!!

Only problem is it looks 2x as wide so it will probably cost more for the extra weight plus it would be more expensive to ship

It's got to be longer. Give it more overhang, but make the posts higher (or finely give us some of those extenders we get to read all about). And go to three bases for more stability. The ship token would be more triangular. Three ship cards? The fishtail affects would make it hard to do just about anything but large circles around the board in one direction but that would represent its maneuverability relative to all the much nimbler stuff engaging it without actually rendering it stationary.

And the small cruiser or a cargo ship as the second imperial ship.

Having an "anti-starfighter" frigate on the side of the Imperials would be a balance issue as well. Currently, even with the Z, the Empire is still the starfighter swarm faction. You would want the opposite if this was even a chance since the anti-starfighter platform would be more beneficial for the rebels who field fewer ships in general.

I just mentioned this in another topic, but I think we're all focusing way to much on the EU canon for inspiration. FFG has a great opportunity with the Imperial Huge Ship to do something extraordinary. Like, create a new ship based on the ISD design and filling the role of a Carrack or carrier vessel. Most of the vessels smaller than a ISD in the EU are pretty UGLY and relatively uninspired (as much of the EU is period). I think most of us would be ecstatic to see something on the table that echoes the might of the ISD and yet provides a unique style from the CR90.

Since the Empire has the market cornered with quantity of starfighter, emphasize that strength by giving the Imperial Huge Ship the ability to house academy's or scimitars at a discount. Give the ship a carrier assemblage upgrade to take up hard points. Maybe that allows fighters to be taken and further discounts them the more hard points are taken up by it. The carrier could then house four TIE/ln's or two TIE Bombers at the discount rate, essentially protecting them until ready to launch.

It's my hope that FFG won't be slavish to the fanboy in all of us. Make something new that compliments the image of the Empire!