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By Ihavebadluck, in X-Wing

according to the wiki his ability is

When attacking at Range 2-3, you may reroll any of your blank results.

so that refers to only the first time he rolls the dice right? not each subsequent time? also can he target lock, and then use that TL and then use his ability?

Any die can only be rerolled once.

does that include focus? like can he reroll and than focus?

Focus is not a re-roll, it's a die modification. You can use as many dice modifications as you wish.

So you could theoretically have a Lambda shuttle shoot with a HLC, re-roll all of them with a spent Target Lock, spend a focus token to get hits, and use two Mercenary Co-Pilots to turn two of those Hits into Crits (assuming you're at Range 3).

Any die can only be rerolled once.

Is he shoots, decides to re -roll all hits dice, can he still gunner? Going by this he already re -rolled

Any die can only be rerolled once.

So how does the Han shoot first build work?

Is he shoots, decides to re -roll all hits dice, can he still gunner? Going by this he already re -rolled

Gunner isn't a re-roll. It's a second attack entirely.

The breakdown goes thusly for Han/Gunner interactions.

  1. Han shoots (first)
    1. Han may decide to re-roll all of his dice with his Pilot Ability
    2. Han may modifiy dice with a Focus Token (great with Recon Specialist here) or Marksmanship (which lasts all turn, and can be used for both attacks).
  2. If the opponent managed to dodge all of that, Han shoots (again, with gunner)
    1. Han may decide to re-roll all of his dice with his Pilot Ability
    2. Han may modify dice with a Focus Token (if you got Recon Spec, you had 2 to spend offensively) or Marksmanship (which lasts all turn, and can be used for both attacks).

Any die can only be rerolled once.

So how does the Han shoot first build work?

Is he shoots, decides to re -roll all hits dice, can he still gunner? Going by this he already re -rolled

Krynn007,

Short answer: YES. Han's skill and abilities are completely separate from and in addition to his Gunner crew.

If you equipped Han with Gunner and he had a Target Lock (TL) on his target at range 1, he could...

Roll 4 Attack dice...

Then, if he doesn't like the results of his dice, he could choose to re-roll ALL of his dice...

Then, using his TL, re could re-roll ANY/ALL of those dice, hopefully increasing the number of (Hit & Critical Hit) results...

If the enemy manages to successfully cancel all those Hits/Crits with dice rolls and/or Focus/Evade tokens, he could then trigger his Gunner crew ability, and re-roll the attack...

If he still has a Focus token, he could apply that to modify his Gunner's dice rolls.

Hope that helps.

Chris

Any die can only be rerolled once.

So how does the Han shoot first build work?

Is he shoots, decides to re -roll all hits dice, can he still gunner? Going by this he already re -rolled

Krynn007,

Short answer: YES. Han's skill and abilities are completely separate from and in addition to his Gunner crew.

If you equipped Han with Gunner and he had a Target Lock (TL) on his target at range 1, he could...

Roll 4 Attack dice...

Then, if he doesn't like the results of his dice, he could choose to re-roll ALL of his dice...

Then, using his TL, re could re-roll ANY/ALL of those dice, hopefully increasing the number of (Hit & Critical Hit) results...

If the enemy manages to successfully cancel all those Hits/Crits with dice rolls and/or Focus/Evade tokens, he could then trigger his Gunner crew ability, and re-roll the attack...

If he still has a Focus token, he could apply that to modify his Gunner's dice rolls.

Hope that helps.

Chris

This is incorrect. If Han has re-rolled all of his dice using his ability he is NOT allowed to use a Target Lock to re-roll any of his dice.

Han should rarely, if ever take a TL action. He can take a focus or use Marksmanship if it's equipped as his action and modify dice with those after his re-roll ability.

If Han has taken a TL action he has to choose to use his ability or TL to re-roll dice but not both.

Then, if he doesn't like the results of his dice, he could choose to re-roll ALL of his dice...

Then, using his TL, re could re-roll ANY/ALL of those dice, ...

No, no, no. You can only reroll a given die once per attack. If Han uses his ability on the first attack then he cannot use a TL to reroll any of those dice afterward.

Then, if he has a gunner, if the first attack misses anyway, he can make a brand new attack and reroll all of THOSE dice once.

Edited by Forgottenlore

Note that Han CAN use a TL (or any other re-roll) first , re-roll some number of dice, and then use his special ability to re-roll all of the dice. The "as many as possible" requirement will result in all of the dice that weren't re-rolled with the TL being re-rolled, and all of the dice that were re-rolled with the TL keeping their results.

Why would you want to do this? You probably wouldn't, but it is possible according to the rules.

Edited by iPeregrine

Note that Han CAN use a TL (or any other re-roll) first , re-roll some number of dice, and then use his special ability to re-roll all of the dice. The "as many as possible" requirement will result in all of the dice that weren't re-rolled with the TL being re-rolled, and all of the dice that were re-rolled with the TL keeping their results.Why would you want to do this? You probably wouldn't, but it is possible according to the rules.

Yes, I considered mentioning that myself, but like you said, I can't think of any reason to do so.

Note that Han CAN use a TL (or any other re-roll) first , re-roll some number of dice, and then use his special ability to re-roll all of the dice. The "as many as possible" requirement will result in all of the dice that weren't re-rolled with the TL being re-rolled, and all of the dice that were re-rolled with the TL keeping their results.Why would you want to do this? You probably wouldn't, but it is possible according to the rules.

Yes, I considered mentioning that myself, but like you said, I can't think of any reason to do so.

If the target-lock came up bumpkis, you could re-roll the remaining hits with Han to give Gunner a better chance of working.

It's a greedy tactic, but it checks out.

Trying to kill biggs with a DTF luke shield upgrade and you roll , crits... maybe rerolls to go for hits?!?!?!

Note that Han CAN use a TL (or any other re-roll) first , re-roll some number of dice, and then use his special ability to re-roll all of the dice. The "as many as possible" requirement will result in all of the dice that weren't re-rolled with the TL being re-rolled, and all of the dice that were re-rolled with the TL keeping their results.Why would you want to do this? You probably wouldn't, but it is possible according to the rules.

Yes, I considered mentioning that myself, but like you said, I can't think of any reason to do so.

If the target-lock came up bumpkis, you could re-roll the remaining hits with Han to give Gunner a better chance of working.

It's a greedy tactic, but it checks out.

But this still goes against the reroll rule on page 12.

" When a die is changed or rerolled, ignore its original result and apply only the new result. This new result may be modified by other effects; however, a die that has already been rerolled cannot be rerolled again during this attack. "
If you choose to use Han's ability, you must reroll as many dice as possible, but I can't see you being able to do that after using a Target Lock reroll, as that's a second reroll for the same attack.
Using Gunner is a separate attack, which would allow you to use a Target Lock OR Hans ability again, but not both in the same attack.

Note that Han CAN use a TL (or any other re-roll) first , re-roll some number of dice, and then use his special ability to re-roll all of the dice. The "as many as possible" requirement will result in all of the dice that weren't re-rolled with the TL being re-rolled, and all of the dice that were re-rolled with the TL keeping their results.Why would you want to do this? You probably wouldn't, but it is possible according to the rules.

Yes, I considered mentioning that myself, but like you said, I can't think of any reason to do so.

If the target-lock came up bumpkis, you could re-roll the remaining hits with Han to give Gunner a better chance of working.

It's a greedy tactic, but it checks out.

But this still goes against the reroll rule on page 12.

" When a die is changed or rerolled, ignore its original result and apply only the new result. This new result may be modified by other effects; however, a die that has already been rerolled cannot be rerolled again during this attack. "

If you choose to use Han's ability, you must reroll as many dice as possible, but I can't see you being able to do that after using a Target Lock reroll, as that's a second reroll for the same attack.

Using Gunner is a separate attack, which would allow you to use a Target Lock OR Hans ability again, but not both in the same attack.

I roll my attack. It comes up 1 hit, 2 blanks. I spend the TL and reroll the blanks. I get 2 blanks. I use Hans reroll to reroll the last rerollable dice(the hit) to try for a blank so I get an automatic gunner roll.

Edited by Aminar

If you choose to use Han's ability, you must reroll as many dice as possible, but I can't see you being able to do that after using a Target Lock reroll, as that's a second reroll for the same attack.

When you spend a target lock you can re-roll any number of dice, you aren't forced to re-roll all of them. So, let's say you roll your three dice and get one hit and two blanks. You re-roll the two blanks, but get two blanks again. You're shooting at a B-wing that doesn't dodge very well, so you're likely to do a single point of damage and miss your gunner re-roll. So now you use Han's ability to re-roll all of your dice. The two blanks have already been re-rolled so they remain, and Han's ability re-rolls the single hit result. And lucky you, you re-rolled it to a blank. Gunner triggers and you put three hits on the B-wing instead.

Of course this isn't likely to happen very often in real games, since it requires a rare combination of a target lock from a ship that almost always uses marksmanship or EH, gunner, an extremely bad roll on both the initial shot and the TL re-roll, and a low-agility target.

Edited by iPeregrine

If you choose to use Han's ability, you must reroll as many dice as possible, but I can't see you being able to do that after using a Target Lock reroll, as that's a second reroll for the same attack.

When you spend a target lock you can re-roll any number of dice, you aren't forced to re-roll all of them. So, let's say you roll your three dice and get one hit and two blanks. You re-roll the two blanks, but get two blanks again. You're shooting at a B-wing that doesn't dodge very well, so you're likely to do a single point of damage and miss your gunner re-roll. So now you use Han's ability to re-roll all of your dice. The two blanks have already been re-rolled so they remain, and Han's ability re-rolls the single hit result. And lucky you, you re-rolled it to a blank. Gunner triggers and you put three hits on the B-wing instead.

Of course this isn't likely to happen very often in real games, since it requires a rare combination of a target lock from a ship that almost always uses marksmanship or EH, gunner, an extremely bad roll on both the initial shot and the TL re-roll, and a low-agility target.

OK, now I see where you were going. I mistakenly thought you were rerolling the entire attack after the TL, not just one that missed. As his ability says you must reroll as many as possible, that only leaves one valid die. Tricky use of his ability, but I like it. Teamed with Gunner makes it quite a cunning tactic.

If you choose to use Han's ability, you must reroll as many dice as possible, but I can't see you being able to do that after using a Target Lock reroll, as that's a second reroll for the same attack.

When you spend a target lock you can re-roll any number of dice, you aren't forced to re-roll all of them. So, let's say you roll your three dice and get one hit and two blanks. You re-roll the two blanks, but get two blanks again. You're shooting at a B-wing that doesn't dodge very well, so you're likely to do a single point of damage and miss your gunner re-roll. So now you use Han's ability to re-roll all of your dice. The two blanks have already been re-rolled so they remain, and Han's ability re-rolls the single hit result. And lucky you, you re-rolled it to a blank. Gunner triggers and you put three hits on the B-wing instead.

Of course this isn't likely to happen very often in real games, since it requires a rare combination of a target lock from a ship that almost always uses marksmanship or EH, gunner, an extremely bad roll on both the initial shot and the TL re-roll, and a low-agility target.

OK, now I see where you were going. I mistakenly thought you were rerolling the entire attack after the TL, not just one that missed. As his ability says you must reroll as many as possible, that only leaves one valid die. Tricky use of his ability, but I like it. Teamed with Gunner makes it quite a cunning tactic.