Thoughts...

Emergent is worth it in my opinion to get Force Rank 3. These first Force players are the trailblazers. It may not work out as hoped/intended, but anyone enthusiastic and dedicated enough to sink the xp into it will get the benefit of the doubt from me, possibly a respec if things go south.

As far as OP, unless the rules contain something different my impression is that Emergent will be popped on in addition to Exile.

If someone just has to have that FR3 I wouldn't begrudge them their effort, but I hope they like their career spec because as they add universal trees for Exile and Emergent they are driving up xp costs on other specs. I just think a wise GM will advise a player at this point to just wait on buying Emergent if they haven't already. It's just going to lead to a "please let me respec" conversation imo when F&D beta is released.

Ironically the only bit of the special edition version of the original trilogy i didn't like was swapping out whoever played Vader in ROTJ but you've mentioned that above anyway...

You're OK with Greedo shooting first?!??!?!?!??!

copperbell, on 23 Apr 2014 - 1:23 PM, said:

I remember a story where he was sold a blaster that didn't work properly and figured if Lucas wanted to make Greedo look a mite more competent letting him fire first and miss because he had been given a faulty blaster merely granted that story extra canon coverage...

Ha, I just couldn't suspend disbelief that Han could lean over in the time it took Greedo to pull the trigger, thus missing him, and shooting back. Ugh that will never feel right.

remember darth vader was in the same hangar as obiwan Kenobi when he sensed him. but didn't sense obiwan when he was on tatooine and darth was on his star destroyer above it taking leiah's ship hostage to retrieve the plans. the jedi order didn't find Anakin skywalker, a vergence in the force, until quigon jinn tripped over him. so you can use force skills to farsee someone you know to look for from dagobah to tatooine apparently since yoda watched luke "a long time" but darth vader didn't know to look for obiwan, the jedi order didn't know senator palpatine was a sith lord, or that darth maul was around even though he was on coruscant with palpatine. so they didn't know to look for them. however we could add another layer of complexity by saying either *a* all the hustle and bustle of life on coruscant made it impossible to see any one thing easily in the force (so why did the jedi bother meditating in their temple on coruscant) or *b* those force stealth skills you guys were talking about were in play. or all 3 at once.

my next question is are the talent trees for force emergent and force exile totally different? if so, ugg. what if I have a player that wants to run a force exile in the rebel alliance at game session 1?

my next question is are the talent trees for force emergent and force exile totally different? if so, ugg. what if I have a player that wants to run a force exile in the rebel alliance at game session 1?

The Talent trees are different but the RAI appears to be that Force Powers are universally accessible (for now anyway).

Have your play buy in to FSExile instead of FSEmergent in that case? Not that buying FS with your starting XP is remotely a good immediate return on that XP...a Force Rating is useless unless you have Talents/Powers to spend it on, and none of those come free.

just read the flame war from earlier. O_O sorry. but I stand by my opinion. if you want to use EU I hope it works for you. if you want to use EU in a discussion with me. though your going to have to tell me what EU your using. and understand im going to have a skeptical stance until you persuade me otherwise. sorry.

how do you guys feel about the return to endor movies? those are starwars but we are seeing the story from the lense of this family and wikette the ewok. there is even a force sensitive "witch" in the 2nd movie.

and yes, please please please never ever evvaaaarrr use EU as cannon, the only book I like from EU is "I Jedi", and its about Corran Horn. very entertaining book and I highly recommend it. but does it have anything to do with how the force works? no. just Korran Horn's decisions and what they mean to him morally speaking and his moral impressions of the force and how the force affects his morality. also very funny BC Corran is a police officer before he is a fighter pilot so hes all about regs, then hes a fighter pilot so he is really cocky. so by the time he trains as a jedi he is a rules and regs cocky jedi

my next question is are the talent trees for force emergent and force exile totally different? if so, ugg. what if I have a player that wants to run a force exile in the rebel alliance at game session 1?

Let them run a Force Exile if they want, ultimately its only a part of their character and shouldn't initially be that important unless they went all out and spent all their starting xp on force powers and Exile talents.

Might want to suggest they look at those skills their career speciality doesn't cover.

Hmm makes me wonder why they want to join the Rebel Alliance... are they being pursued or are they hoping to find other Exiles so they can complete their training?

Do you want to introduce a Kota to cover this end of things?

Well I did hear he was one of the better points of the Force Unleashed mess....

I'm still trying to work out the difference since the Exile sounds more like former padawan and the Emergent sounds like they have no idea what trouble they're in for if they say no to that eventual invite from the Empire and that Man in Black of theirs....

I'm still trying to work out the difference since the Exile sounds more like former padawan and the Emergent sounds like they have no idea what trouble they're in for if they say no to that eventual invite from the Empire and that Man in Black of theirs....

It's purely a sematic and descriptive difference. Like how not everyone who takes the big-s Smuggler career is required to play a small-s smuggler. Not every Exile has to be a former padawan, etc.

I have an Exile that's currently unaware of the fact that he's Force Sensitive (though he's starting to suspect it now that I've given him some Force Powers to play with). Exile seemed like the better fit with living on the fringe, although he's a Diplomat Ambassador (retconned from Politico).

I fully intend to have him develop into Emergent and then whatever Force and Destiny has in store. It's something about the "Force Sensitive path" that's appealing, and it seems the game is fully supporting it.

True, it's a huge xp cost for that Force Rating 3, but you do seem to get quite a few other nice talents along the way. I'm also not really doing it for the game mechanical trade off.

It's also possible to go the other way around or simply stick to one or the other. I see nothing wrong with that. I guess it comes down to whether or not it fits your concept or your xp bank...

(2) Huge ripples, for relatively little things like enhancing your own body? I doubt it, at least for someone trained in managing that.

I'm pretty sure that, right now, there isn't a RAW PC in existence that qualifies as trained in the Force.

Plus, in Empire , the Emperor calls Luke a, "Great disturbance in the Force." This is when Luke wasn't very powerful (e.g. - could barely move a lightsaber across an ice cave).

This may have had nothing to do with Luke's power, or use of powers, and everything to do with his destiny and historic trajectory. The Emperor senses strong currents in the Force around Luke, yes, but the statement is terse and vague and requires interpretation . Its a very big galaxy. And, except for when Luke was in the same star system as Vader, we don't see any concern that the Empire would find him if he used his force powers. What about his training on Dagobah? Vader didn't suddenly show up with a flotilla of star destroyers and invade the planet with the 501st in his wake there, did he? Instead, Vader hatched a scheme to draw Luke to him.

Nor was Luke concerned with powering up during the rescue of Han Solo from Jabba the Hutt. It didn't even work that way on Endor. Luke used his powers there, too, and Vader didn't suddenly go all Blue Tick Hound on him and start tracking him through the woods. He was in the Endor system and sensed Luke was on the forest moon, but not precisely where. And, again, Luke was on that historic trajectory of big hoodoo destiny. Even so, the Emperor and Vader worked to draw Luke and the rebels, out into the open. Luke came to them . I strongly submit that people vastly overestimate the flare-like nature of activating Force powers, or the NSA-esque eavesdropping powers of foresee, seek, and sense. Its not a like a cell phone you can triangulate using towers its pinging from to get within a few meters.

The Force is far more rooted in intuition and having "a feeling." It might lead Vader towards a force user, but unless he is in close proximity to them, its not going to lead him right to their doorstep.