I always thought that if you took damage from anything then you lost SD, but I guess its just me...

Page 4, right column under "Legal Products", first paragraph.

No, I thought I remembered another part that specifically mentioned a list of stuff that was temporarily banned. Maybe its the paint fumes.

FFG listed what was tournament legal in the previous tournament rules document.

So the original FAQ posted today had:

The second version has:

Seems like a pretty major difference...

I always thought that if you took damage from anything then you lost SD, but I guess its just me...

No, the card specifies that you have to be hit by an attack, both of which are defined terms in the game, not take damage.

In fact, not only can you take damage without loosing your SD, it is also possible to be hit and loose it without taking any damage at all (from a Draw their Fire or soon, Lt. Blount)

So the original FAQ posted today had:

The second version has:

Seems like a pretty major difference...

It is also pretty redundant as the FAQ already specifies that all ships are able to maintain target locks.

So the original FAQ posted today had:

The second version has:

Seems like a pretty major difference...

I actually don't like the change. If for whatever reason I wanted to pass a lock to a bomber or a firespray or anything else in order to get focus/target lock I can't do it now.....ah well I wasn't doing it much anyway but IF I wanted to, well now I couldn't do it...

He may now only pass locks to TIE FIghters, Interceptors and Phantoms.

Uhm, no - it doesn't say he can ONLY assign it to ships without the target lock icon, just that he can. That's not exclusive.

@ Greedy merchant - is this what you are getting tripped up by?

Is the second one clarifying that Jendon can give to any ship regardless of the TL action in their bar? Or is it saying that he can only give it to someone without the TL in their action bar?

I read it as the second initially, but I am thinking now that its just clarifying that ships without TL can also get it, not that Bombers and Firesprays are off limits. At least thats the way it better be, otherwise bombers just got royally screwed.

It is also pretty redundant as the FAQ already specifies that all ships are able to maintain target locks.

There is a lot of redundancy in this FAQ. That is good. Reinforces the rulings and makes it easier to find stuff.

Just noticed the ruling about component modifications - nowhere does it say that the models themselves can not be modified, just that the TO has final say. That is a change is it not?? I thought it used to say that while the mini's could be painted, they couldn't be modded if they were to be used in a tourney. Now it seems they can be painted and modded. So this should put to rest all the concerns about people who have added magnets to their B-Wing cockpits, and to the ships themselves to allow for rotation. Of course the TO still has final say, so you MAY have to use a stock ship..

Just noticed the ruling about component modifications - nowhere does it say that the models themselves can not be modified, just that the TO has final say. That is a change is it not?? I thought it used to say that while the mini's could be painted, they couldn't be modded if they were to be used in a tourney. Now it seems they can be painted and modded. So this should put to rest all the concerns about people who have added magnets to their B-Wing cockpits, and to the ships themselves to allow for rotation. Of course the TO still has final say, so you MAY have to use a stock ship..

Given that all the important measurements of X-wing rely on the bases, I don't see why modifications to the model itself would ever be disallowed.

Yep, loving the changes to the new documents, going to be a lot easier to find stuff now that it keeps getting bigger.

Plus some of the more obscure issues that have been FAQ tends to indicate that FFG reads these forums.

Thanks FFG!

It's unlikely they wouldn't... But the only modifications that are officially allowed are paint jobs and adding weight to the base.

I always thought that if you took damage from anything then you lost SD, but I guess its just me...

No, the card specifies that you have to be hit by an attack, both of which are defined terms in the game, not take damage.

In fact, not only can you take damage without loosing your SD, it is also possible to be hit and loose it without taking any damage at all (from a Draw their Fire or soon, Lt. Blount)

Doesn't draw their fire let the targeted ship keep it's stealth device? I have seen this used a number of times. Wedge with DtF flies next to Biggs with SD and R2-F2. If one crit gets through, Wedge can pull it to himself, allowing Biggs to stay up longer and keep his SD.

This isn't legal?

I always thought that if you took damage from anything then you lost SD, but I guess its just me...

No, the card specifies that you have to be hit by an attack, both of which are defined terms in the game, not take damage.

In fact, not only can you take damage without loosing your SD, it is also possible to be hit and loose it without taking any damage at all (from a Draw their Fire or soon, Lt. Blount)

Doesn't draw their fire let the targeted ship keep it's stealth device? I have seen this used a number of times. Wedge with DtF flies next to Biggs with SD and R2-F2. If one crit gets through, Wedge can pull it to himself, allowing Biggs to stay up longer and keep his SD.

This isn't legal?

The targeted ship is still hit, it just doesn't suffer the damage and you loose the SD when you are hit.

But a ship with DtF can suffer the crit and keep the SD.

I always thought that if you took damage from anything then you lost SD, but I guess its just me...

No, the card specifies that you have to be hit by an attack, both of which are defined terms in the game, not take damage.

In fact, not only can you take damage without loosing your SD, it is also possible to be hit and loose it without taking any damage at all (from a Draw their Fire or soon, Lt. Blount)

Doesn't draw their fire let the targeted ship keep it's stealth device? I have seen this used a number of times. Wedge with DtF flies next to Biggs with SD and R2-F2. If one crit gets through, Wedge can pull it to himself, allowing Biggs to stay up longer and keep his SD.

This isn't legal?

Given that all the important measurements of X-wing rely on the bases, I don't see why modifications to the model itself would ever be disallowed.

If an extreme modification made it difficult to tell what a given ship was, or worse, made it easy to confuse 2 different ships in the same list, that would be a reason. But you would have to get pretty extreme to make a modification where you couldn't tell what kind of ship it was supposed to be, verging on proxy territory. But that is the only reason.

Given that all the important measurements of X-wing rely on the bases, I don't see why modifications to the model itself would ever be disallowed.

If an extreme modification made it difficult to tell what a given ship was, or worse, made it easy to confuse 2 different ships in the same list, that would be a reason. But you would have to get pretty extreme to make a modification where you couldn't tell what kind of ship it was supposed to be, verging on proxy territory. But that is the only reason.

Even if you managed, the name of the pilot is noted right on the baseplate, including its stats, firing arcs and even an emblem of its ship type. So even that reason sounds rather weird.

Even if you managed, the name of the pilot is noted right on the baseplate, including its stats, firing arcs and even an emblem of its ship type. So even that reason sounds rather weird.

Can't speak for anyone else, but I pretty much never look at the base plates during the game. The font is tiny, it's going to be at a weird angle or upside-down more often than not, and depending on the ship (especially everyone's favorite modification target, the Falcon) it could be blocked by the ship itself. They really don't help.

Even if you managed, the name of the pilot is noted right on the baseplate, including its stats, firing arcs and even an emblem of its ship type. So even that reason sounds rather weird.

The game certainly CAN be played without miniatures, using only the base inserts, but having identifiable models is much, much easier. Personally I find the base inserts way to difficult to read in game and have only looked at them occasionally, and then just for the 4 main stats, never for pilot identification or to see what actions it can take.

Anyway, that is the primary reason some people don't want modified ships in tourneys. Personally I don't care, but some people do and that is why.

arg...ninja'd again

Not intending to hurt any religious peoples feelings here, but wouldn't it be kinda fun to have a "Scripture Style FAQ!??

For instance the Target Lock (in Competitive Play could be worded something like this:

""And Jesus (NOT Turr Phønøhrr) said on to his disciples: Nay, if Thou wish to acquire a Lock of Target on Thy opponent, Thou shall first declare your intend and not until this have been done may you measure the distance. And if able Thou must now placeth a Blue (or one of the spiffy, though need of repaint, Green acrylic tokens from FFG) on Thy ship and a Red onto Thy decided target. But what is distance you ask? For this, the Lord provideth a Range Ruler (also available from third parties) which divide distance onto either Range 1, 2, 3 or beyond. And unless Thou arty flying in a Lambda with title upgrade, Thou may not ever lock on an ship beyond Range of 3"

Happy Easter to you all

-Niko-

Even if you managed, the name of the pilot is noted right on the baseplate, including its stats, firing arcs and even an emblem of its ship type. So even that reason sounds rather weird.

Can't speak for anyone else, but I pretty much never look at the base plates during the game. The font is tiny, it's going to be at a weird angle or upside-down more often than not, and depending on the ship (especially everyone's favorite modification target, the Falcon) it could be blocked by the ship itself. They really don't help.

Even if you managed, the name of the pilot is noted right on the baseplate, including its stats, firing arcs and even an emblem of its ship type. So even that reason sounds rather weird.

Can't speak for anyone else, but I pretty much never look at the base plates during the game. The font is tiny, it's going to be at a weird angle or upside-down more often than not, and depending on the ship (especially everyone's favorite modification target, the Falcon) it could be blocked by the ship itself. They really don't help.

Yes, but you can see the information if you need to. It's rarely needed, but if you have two ps6 Ties on the field knowing which is backstabber and which is dark curse requires that text.

Of course you can see them. But they don't fix extreme mod/proxy problems. You may think it's really cool to run your Interceptors as TIE Droids and your Bombers as Experimental/M2s and your unique TIE Fighters as DIE-Wings and your generic pilot TIE Fighters as Experimental/M3s... but nameplate or no, that's going to be a pain.

The nameplate CAN solve it, but it should be an absolute last resort.

ST is now optional! No more swarming ps0!

Swarm tactics has always been optional, just weird, since you're friendly to yourself, you could swarm yourself, though that seems weird... Definitely simpler with May

Not intending to hurt any religious peoples feelings here, but wouldn't it be kinda fun to have a "Scripture Style FAQ!??

For instance the Target Lock (in Competitive Play could be worded something like this:

""And Jesus (NOT Turr Phønøhrr) said on to his disciples: Nay, if Thou wish to acquire a Lock of Target on Thy opponent, Thou shall first declare your intend and not until this have been done may you measure the distance. And if able Thou must now placeth a Blue (or one of the spiffy, though need of repaint, Green acrylic tokens from FFG) on Thy ship and a Red onto Thy decided target. But what is distance you ask? For this, the Lord provideth a Range Ruler (also available from third parties) which divide distance onto either Range 1, 2, 3 or beyond. And unless Thou arty flying in a Lambda with title upgrade, Thou may not ever lock on an ship beyond Range of 3"

Happy Easter to you all

-Niko-

Nor shall you go to range two, unless you proceed to range three. Range four is right out.

The FAQ according to Python.