In the Outmaneuver card, is that the Outrider?

So far there's been some clues as to what we may see. But i dont know if I've seen this ship in a card before

Can anyone confirm that its indeed the 2400?

Looks like it's the YT-2400 to me. But I'd go easy on the hypothesis that the art predicts future ships: there are a fair number of disconfirming examples.

I have a lot of hope we'll see the Outrider before too long--it's one of the very few remaining ships that was technically in the movies + it's an iconic ship from the EU.

Predator has Separatist Droid Capital Ships on it, so it would seem that anything is fair game and to not hold our breath for all ships in cards to see the table.

That said, I think that outrider will be the next large ship for rebels. There's only one more wave before the new movies, right? Agreed that's its on the card.

The good news is that Dash Rendar came to the LCG with the Balance of the Force box.

I can't imagine why they wouldn't drop the YT-2400 into the pool for another large Rebel ship. They could make it have a few less shields/hull, 2 Agility, 2-3 Attack, 180 degree fire arc to the front. Wouldn't be just another Falcon that way.

Pilots would obviously be Dash, and perhaps Leebo, along with a crew card for Leebo for sure.

This is such a no-brainer, really. I would have expected that before an E-Wing, but maybe they wanted to spread it around a little more as the well of "new" ship types becomes dried up?

The absolute last thing this game needs right now is another turret/broad fire ship with a ton of hit points.

Predator has Separatist Droid Capital Ships on it, so it would seem that anything is fair game and to not hold our breath for all ships in cards to see the table.

Technically, in that particular illustration those ships are in Alliance colors and it's during the rebellion era. I wouldn't go as far as saying anything is fair game since they're still sticking with materials depicting the Civil War itself (the movie events plus a few years before and after).

I'd still agree the art isn't an indication of what to expect in subsequent waves. That theory didn't hold up for long.

The absolute last thing this game needs right now is another turret/broad fire ship with a ton of hit points.

It would be a shame if FFG didn't bring the YT-2400 into the game. It has pulled from popular video games to bring many of the ships we have now. Few video games enjoyed the success that Shadows of the Empire did. The YT-2400 could be a "Falcon lite". It is a full 16 meters shorter in length than the Falcon.

Honestly, if the HWK is a standard size ship in the X-wing game, then so should the YT-2400. It would end up being a very Y-wing like ship, but with crew member(s). Yes, its primary weapon (and possibly only weapon) should be a blaster turret.

Honestly, if the HWK is a standard size ship in the X-wing game, then so should the YT-2400.

The YT-2400 was still nearly 30m wide, it may not of been as long as the YT-1300, but it was nearly as wide as one. The HWK wasn't really much longer then a X-Wing.

For reference,

YT-1300 Length 34.75 meters

HWK-290 Length 29 Meters

YT-2400 18.65 meters x 28.5 meters

All according to wookiepedia.

Well correct me if I'm wrong but if we look back, there has been at least one ship of the next wave revealed in the wave before hasn't there?

For reference,

YT-1300 Length 34.75 meters

HWK-290 Length 29 Meters

YT-2400 18.65 meters x 28.5 meters

All according to wookiepedia.

Wookieepedia has the wrong length for the HWK. This has been discussed at length, with plenty of sources to back up their incorrectness.

For reference,

YT-1300 Length 34.75 meters

HWK-290 Length 29 Meters

YT-2400 18.65 meters x 28.5 meters

All according to wookiepedia.

Wookieepedia has the wrong length for the HWK. This has been discussed at length, with plenty of sources to back up their incorrectness.

Looks like it's the YT-2400 to me. But I'd go easy on the hypothesis that the art predicts future ships: there are a fair number of disconfirming examples.

Until the sun goes out, that can't really be dis-confirmed. But yeah, I wouldn't bet on something showing up just because it's in backgrounds of the cards.

For reference,

YT-1300 Length 34.75 meters

HWK-290 Length 29 Meters

YT-2400 18.65 meters x 28.5 meters

All according to wookiepedia.

Wookieepedia has the wrong length for the HWK. This has been discussed at length, with plenty of sources to back up their incorrectness.

Do you have another source?

I do. I have two of them in my Plano case.

Look, the facts are, FFG gets the true scale from LFL licensing, not from a publicly edited wiki page.

Also, just look at in game footage from the original games.

Looks like it's the YT-2400 to me. But I'd go easy on the hypothesis that the art predicts future ships: there are a fair number of disconfirming examples.

Until the sun goes out, that can't really be dis-confirmed. But yeah, I wouldn't bet on something showing up just because it's in backgrounds of the cards.

I'll rephrase, then: I can't conclusively determine that there's no subtle easter-egg thing going on with the art chosen for cards and the ships chosen for the next wave. But if there is such a relationship, it's not a deterministic one: there are ships that have shown up in plastic without making it into any previous art, and there are ships in the art that are likely never to show up in plastic.

For reference,

YT-1300 Length 34.75 meters

HWK-290 Length 29 Meters

YT-2400 18.65 meters x 28.5 meters

All according to wookiepedia.

Wookieepedia has the wrong length for the HWK. This has been discussed at length, with plenty of sources to back up their incorrectness.

Do you have another source?

You can find the original Dark Forces cutscenes online, and several of them have Kyle and Jan standing next to the Moldy Crow. There's also a scene with it docked to the bottom port of a Nebulon-B, identically to the Falcon at the end of Empire. Very obviously not the same size as a YT-1300.

There's also a thread back a ways where one of the authors/illustrators involved in the tech manuals confirmed the size as correct, but I'll leave it to you to track that one down.

What would the YT-2400 bring to the game that the YT-1300 hasn't already brought? They are both smuggler freighters with a turret. Even look rather similar since one is just an updated version of the other.

What would the YT-2400 bring to the game that the YT-1300 hasn't already brought?

Dash Frakking Rendar!

And Marty McFly's life preserver vest.

I'm going to go with: Sure, you rebel scum can have that YT-2400... as long as we imperials can have Clone War era droids. That's a win/win right?

And Marty McFly's life preserver vest.

As awesome as that would be...

I have to agree, I'm not sure what the ship would offer in game terms that would make it worth having instead of another YT-1300.

The question is - if a ship is popular enough to warrant consideration for inclusion, can they find a way to justify it in the overall meta of the game?

can they find a way to justify it in the overall meta of the game?

That's a bit of a 6 in one hand, half a dozen in the other, isn't it?

I mean if they were to come out with one I'd most likely buy it, just for the sake of having a different model to use.

But what are some of the things FFG could do with it to make it different enough from the Falcon, to make it be something other then a YT with new pilots type pack. But perhaps, that's enough I mean the Aces packs seem to be popular and that's just new paint jobs on existing models.

A different model with the same basic stats and new pilots/upgrades... Not any different then a Ace's pack really.

But what are some of the things FFG could do with it to make it different enough from the Falcon, to make it be something other then a YT with new pilots type pack.

I can think of some which change the ship a lot:

Add barrel roll to action bar.

Replace a crew slot with astromech, cargo(!) or system.

360° firing arc. Combines nicely with a missile. Or a cannon.

Minor changes could include hull and shields.