TIE Defender spoiler article is up

By Danthrax, in X-Wing

TIE Fighter Collectors CD-ROM sits in my optic drive at this moment actually. It's still a solid game and runs well on Win7.

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I grabbed my old disc, same thing. I haven't installed it yet though. I found some instructions here:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.digitpress.com%2Fforum%2Fshowthread.php%3F148392-Tie-Fighter-collectors-edition-how-to-play-under-windows-7&rlz=1C1CHHJ_enUS515US515&oq=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.digitpress.com%2Fforum%2Fshowthread.php%3F148392-Tie-Fighter-collectors-edition-how-to-play-under-windows-7&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i58.1583j0j7&sourceid=chrome&espv=2&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8

Did these work for you, or did you use something else?

Nice EPTs, the defenders still an over priced ship. Swarm got less effective again with predator EPT. And it Looks like the phantom is the only semi decent ship this release for empire.

The empire needs more synergy with its fighters and soon.

We know relatively little about the Phantom, and those named Defender pilots are brutally good.

I was going to agree about the synergy bit but if you think about it, both factions have a support ship with three named pilots, and the generic Lambda is better than the generic HWK, but other than that the Imperials have Howlrunner, arguably the best synergy ship in the game, and jonus, and the rebels have Garven, Dutch, Lando, and if you want to consider "shot me now shot me now!" as a synergy ability then Biggs. That's a bit more, and I'd say they are generally better on the rebellion side but not so much that I'd say they have a monopoly.

So, I just have a question about Rexler..

Does his ability of being able to spend a focus allow you to flip over cards allow you to flip over all the cards dealt?

If the Dice Gods were with you (or I guess the Force in this case), and you rolled 3 damage, the potential for flipping over all 3 of those cards and getting a Direct Hit or two would be awesome. Even more so if you paired him up with Clusters..

So, I just have a question about Rexler..

Does his ability of being able to spend a focus allow you to flip over cards allow you to flip over all the cards dealt?

If the Dice Gods were with you (or I guess the Force in this case), and you rolled 3 damage, the potential for flipping over all 3 of those cards and getting a Direct Hit or two would be awesome. Even more so if you paired him up with Clusters..

That is exactly what it lets you do. Any cards that he deals out on that attack, he can flip.

So, I just have a question about Rexler..

Does his ability of being able to spend a focus allow you to flip over cards allow you to flip over all the cards dealt?

It looks that way.

If the Dice Gods were with you (or I guess the Force in this case), and you rolled 3 damage, the potential for flipping over all 3 of those cards and getting a Direct Hit or two would be awesome. Even more so if you paired him up with Clusters..

7/33 of the damage deck consists of Direct Hits, so the chance of getting a Direct Hit when you deal a single face-up damage card is 21%. If you deal two face-up cards, the chance of getting at least one Direct Hit is (1 - 26/33 * 26/32) = 36% , and if you deal three face-up cards, the change of pulling at least one Direct Hit is (1 - 26/33 * 26/32 * 26/31) = 46% .

Of course, there's a set of diminishing returns there: the number of ships that will survive three face-up damage cards without a Direct Hit is pretty low. But it's still a sobering prospect to realize that if Brath catches any ship with no shields, that ship is in serious trouble .

One shot a Bomber with 3 direct hits? Yeah, that will happen some time.

So, I just have a question about Rexler..

Does his ability of being able to spend a focus allow you to flip over cards allow you to flip over all the cards dealt?

It looks that way.

If the Dice Gods were with you (or I guess the Force in this case), and you rolled 3 damage, the potential for flipping over all 3 of those cards and getting a Direct Hit or two would be awesome. Even more so if you paired him up with Clusters..

7/33 of the damage deck consists of Direct Hits, so the chance of getting a Direct Hit when you deal a single face-up damage card is 21%. If you deal two face-up cards, the chance of getting at least one Direct Hit is (1 - 26/33 * 26/32) = 36% , and if you deal three face-up cards, the change of pulling at least one Direct Hit is (1 - 26/33 * 26/32 * 26/31) = 46% .

Of course, there's a set of diminishing returns there: the number of ships that will survive three face-up damage cards without a Direct Hit is pretty low. But it's still a sobering prospect to realize that if Brath catches any ship with no shields, that ship is in serious trouble .

I think this ability was made for taking out the Chewie's of the world. If the planets aligned, the potential would be for 12 points of damage in one hit (with clusters). The statistical likelihood of that is probably far worse than the 3,720 to 1 odds of successfully navigating an asteroid field, BUT... it would be nice to think the possibility is there nonetheless..

Edited by Papamambo

So, I just have a question about Rexler..

Does his ability of being able to spend a focus allow you to flip over cards allow you to flip over all the cards dealt?

If the Dice Gods were with you (or I guess the Force in this case), and you rolled 3 damage, the potential for flipping over all 3 of those cards and getting a Direct Hit or two would be awesome. Even more so if you paired him up with Clusters..

That is exactly what it lets you do. Any cards that he deals out on that attack, he can flip.

Yes, that's it.

Note: The ability only works on the defender. It does not work for assault missile splash damage. It does not work against DTF-Chewbacca without shields who draws away and flips down crits.

Nice EPTs, the defenders still an over priced ship. Swarm got less effective again with predator EPT. And it Looks like the phantom is the only semi decent ship this release for empire.

The empire needs more synergy with its fighters and soon.

Swarm getting less effective is a very good thing.

Rexler likes Vader with squad leader. Run Soontir with them and you have probably the best survivability in the game. Vader gives Rex the extra focus he needs and the other two shot first to get rid of shields.

Rexler likes Vader with squad leader. Run Soontir with them and you have probably the best survivability in the game. Vader gives Rex the extra focus he needs and the other two shot first to get rid of shields.

That and your list is going to lack some offensive punch. Likely a lot of it.

Rexler likes Vader with squad leader. Run Soontir with them and you have probably the best survivability in the game. Vader gives Rex the extra focus he needs and the other two shot first to get rid of shields.

It's really expensive, but I'd definitely be willing to put it on the table:

Rexler Brath (37)

- Adrenaline Rush (1)

Darth Vader (29)

- Squad Leader (2)

Soontir Fel (27)

- Push the Limit (3)

***

Alternately, you could drop Fel down to a Royal Guard Pilot to get a little more room and firepower. Here Vader probably won't be granting TLs, but he can hand out a barrel roll to either pilot, or if Brath gets blocked he still makes sure the focus token happens:

Rexler Brath (37)

- Predator (3)

Darth Vader (29)

- Squad Leader (2)

- Concussion Missile (4)

Royal Guard Pilot (22)

- Predator (3)

Rexler likes Vader with squad leader. Run Soontir with them and you have probably the best survivability in the game. Vader gives Rex the extra focus he needs and the other two shot first to get rid of shields.

It's really expensive, but I'd definitely be willing to put it on the table:

Rexler Brath (37)

- Adrenaline Rush (1)

Darth Vader (29)

- Squad Leader (2)

Soontir Fel (27)

- Push the Limit (3)

***

Alternately, you could drop Fel down to a Royal Guard Pilot to get a little more room and firepower. Here Vader probably won't be granting TLs, but he can hand out a barrel roll to either pilot, or if Brath gets blocked he still makes sure the focus token happens:

Rexler Brath (37)

- Predator (3)

Darth Vader (29)

- Squad Leader (2)

- Concussion Missile (4)

Royal Guard Pilot (22)

- Predator (3)

I do like that second one, especially since Vader can use that missile for early shield clearing and the Royal guard can either finish the crippled ship or start on the shields of the next one.

I think this ability was made for taking out the Chewie's of the world. If the planets aligned, the potential would be for 12 points of damage in one hit (with clusters).

You would need to spend a focus token to trigger his ability for each attack from the clusters and I don't think he had any way to get a second focus token, so I don't think you could actually do that much.

I think this ability was made for taking out the Chewie's of the world. If the planets aligned, the potential would be for 12 points of damage in one hit (with clusters).

You would need to spend a focus token to trigger his ability for each attack from the clusters and I don't think he had any way to get a second focus token, so I don't think you could actually do that much.

There's nothing preventing that from happening today. I mean, you could naturally roll 6 crits vs. 0 evades, and then draw 6 direct hits... so what if the likelyhood is (1/8 ^ 6 * 5/8^2 * 6! / (33!-28!) = .000000000941% chance of happening... it still CAN happen!

Edited by Khyros

Rexler likes Vader with squad leader. Run Soontir with them and you have probably the best survivability in the game. Vader gives Rex the extra focus he needs and the other two shot first to get rid of shields.

Keep in mind that Squad Leader can only be used on ships with lower Pilot Skill, so Vader can only pass actions to Brath, not Fel. Also, a ship can only perform each action once per turn (even it it's free), so there's no way to get a second focus token on Brath.

You could replace Vader with Turr Phennir + Veteran Instincts (he shoots before Brath to strip shields, and has better firepower than Vader), put Predator or Outmaneuver on Brath, and have a few points left over for a defensive modification somewhere.

and then draw 6 direct hits...

You only need 3 direct hits to kill a bomber. :)

I think this ability was made for taking out the Chewie's of the world. If the planets aligned, the potential would be for 12 points of damage in one hit (with clusters).

You would need to spend a focus token to trigger his ability for each attack from the clusters and I don't think he had any way to get a second focus token, so I don't think you could actually do that much.

Ok, so that being the case (unless someone can grant him an extra focus token), that still means there is a potential here for 9 damage, which is still huge. That's almost enough to take out an ORS in one shot. If somehow there is an ability somewhere that could grant him an extra focus, he could almost one shot Han, Chewie or Lando.. and definitely by the second turn..

Somehow, those mean ol' turreted transports don't look so imposing anymore.

and then draw 6 direct hits...

You only need 3 direct hits to kill a bomber. :)

When did a bomber come into this. He was talking about the guy's desire to do 12 damage with one attack.

When did a bomber come into this. He was talking about the guy's desire to do 12 damage with one attack.

I must of missed it then, I saw someone talking about killing a bomber with one shot. Didn't see that we were talking about a named Pilot in a YT.

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Again, I think people may be missing the most potent combo with Rexlar. He can use his ability with the Ion Cannon. Ionized and a crit, that will be nasty once the shields are down.

And I do want to test out the Delta w/ Heavy Laser Cannon x2 + Jonus squad. It sounds fun.

I think this ability was made for taking out the Chewie's of the world. If the planets aligned, the potential would be for 12 points of damage in one hit (with clusters).

You would need to spend a focus token to trigger his ability for each attack from the clusters and I don't think he had any way to get a second focus token, so I don't think you could actually do that much.

There's nothing preventing that from happening today. I mean, you could naturally roll 6 crits vs. 0 evades, and then draw 6 direct hits... so what if the likelyhood is (1/8 ^ 6 * 5/8^2 * 6! / (33!-28!) = .000000000941% chance of happening... it still CAN happen!

... Never tell me the odds.

I have a couple of quick questions for the more experienced. I apologize if these were covered earlier, 18 pages is a lot to look through lol.

1) predator - I see a lot of talk about this being primary weapon only, but I thought when that was the case, the card would specify "when attacking with a primary weapon" while this card simply says "when attacking". What am I missing?

2) colonel vessery - does his ability mean that, since it's after rolling attack dice. He can gain a target lock then immediately use that lock on that roll, or is it a lock for next turn?

Thanks in advance!

He can gain a lock for that roll. Takes place after the dice are rolled, but before they are modified. Therefore, it can be used on the same roll.

I have a couple of quick questions for the more experienced. I apologize if these were covered earlier, 18 pages is a lot to look through lol.

1) predator - I see a lot of talk about this being primary weapon only, but I thought when that was the case, the card would specify "when attacking with a primary weapon" while this card simply says "when attacking". What am I missing?

2) colonel vessery - does his ability mean that, since it's after rolling attack dice. He can gain a target lock then immediately use that lock on that roll, or is it a lock for next turn?

Thanks in advance!

It can be used on secondary weapons. I believe what you're actually seeing is that it doesn't "work" on turrets. Which isn't actually true either.

For Outmaneuver, the defender has to be in your firing arc, and you have to be out of the defenders firing arc. So that means that you can use your secondary ion/blaster turret with it, but only if the defender was in your arc... so the other 280 degrees that the turret works, outmaneuver does not work.

Predator works regardless of primary/secondary/firing arcs.