ok guys,

this past weekend i played in a store championship, and this one guy and me always seem to be each others nemesis. as we had split the last 2 tournaments.

but this last weekend, we had to face each other in game 2

i ran my standard 4 interceptor list agains XXBB (wedge and biggs)

now it started off with a couple bad evade rolls on my part and i lost and alpha pilot.

from that point i was waiting 3-4 minutes after placing my dials for him to finish placing his. he kept picking them up, changing them, saying oops wrong dial. and i was getting frustrated.

the result was me making moves i would not normally do because i needed to inflict damage to catch back up, but with a limited number of turns i had put my squints in positions i would never do just to get off a few more shots.

i denied him a total victory, he only scored a modified win.

is this an instance of slow play?

or am i just being a sore loser?

honesty please, i can take it.

Sounds like him stalling.

How many turns did you get in over the game time?(And how long was the time limit. What did things look like at the end. We can't make a very informed decision without those, but I would trust your intuition.

Im not sure I entirely understand. Are you saying that because your opponent is taking extra time and re-changing dial directions during the planning stage is *making* you do different moves? Your opponent is allowed to look at his dials as many times as he wants during the planning stage.

Now as far as the TO tourney rules go, are there any rules in place that dictates a time limit on the Planning stage or a tourney store rule of "when you place your ships dial down you may not re-check it.. or can only check it once" etc.?

I guess I fail to see how an opponent that takes a bit of extra time especially during the planning stage can "make" you do something unless you can see your opponents dials which generally isn't allowed. Perhaps your opponent is trying to get into your head and make you second guess yourself? In which case is quite a viable tactic in my opinion.

I don't think you are a sore loser, but just a frustrated player who likes gameplay at a more constant faster speed.

- Lord Cedric

He's saying that the pace of the game and starting off at a points disadvantage in a timed game altered the way he had to play if he wanted a chance at winning because he felt his opponent was trying to stall while he had the points advantage.

How many turns did you get in over the game time?(And how long was the time limit. What did things look like at the end. We can't make a very informed decision without those, but I would trust your intuition.

I would agree that additional information is needed before you call him "stalling". Some people play at a slower pace, and some people play at lightning pace. If he always takes 3-4 minutes (which is a long time, imo) then that's his pace of play, and you could ask him to pick up the pace. If you notice he's doing it every time he has the point advantage, then I would say he's stalling.

I don't think it should've rattled you to the point where you're making "uncharacteristic" moves. That's like putting a poker player on tilt.

Sounds like a sore loser. Not everyone is at the same levels of 'skill'. Some people take longer than others and think about their moves, some people are less experienced and need more time to plan. I have a sinking suspicious there's some embelishment going on in the original post.

At my SC, in the final game, I had a player 'slow down' on me. I know the guy and he doesn't stall or slow play as a rule. I let it slide for 30 minutes or so, but as the time started to draw for finishing, I simply said "OK, enough stalling, let's speed this up." The player realised what he had been doing, appologised and we sped up the remaining 10 minutes of play. Oh, and that last 10 minutes made no difference, I still won the game and the SC - albeit with a modified win.

Cheers

Sounds like a sore loser. Not everyone is at the same levels of 'skill'. Some people take longer than others and think about their moves, some people are less experienced and need more time to plan. I have a sinking suspicious there's some embelishment going on in the original post.

But if he has played this player in the past, and his turns usually went by quicker than 3-4 minutes after his opponent finished placing a roughly equal number of dials, then that seems like a deliberate stalling tactic. I mean, we don't have nearly enough information, but if this is unusual then it is a warning flag. Especially if those "mistakes" only happened after the OP lost a ship and if it didn't continue into the rest of that guys games (Sometimes people just have a bad day or fall out of the "zone" resulting in mistakes or slow down, but if that only lasted from when he had an edge to when the game ended it's suspect).

I am very slow with my dial decisions. It's just my nature. It's part of the reason I have yet to get out to a tournament, I don't want to annoy anyone with my slowness but if I don't take it slow I will probably just play poorly and not give the opponent a good game.

Having a timed game system where there are no hard rules for actual turn speed seems like a recipe for disaster

Definitely sounds like there's some underlying gamesmanship issues. Just politely ask him to to speed up a bit, and if he persists call over a judge or TO. I had a guy taking way, way too long during a round of Magic once, and he copped a poor attitude after he lost and accused me of rushing him. Playing within the confines of the allotted time is part of the skill involved, and if taking two minutes instead of four is game breaking for someone, then they need to git gud. And, if it's a competition, I don't feel particularly inclined to let them improve at my expense. That's what practice matches are for. Don't feel guilty if you need to call somebody out, TC. Nobody ever won anything important by being a nice guy.

Slow play is when a player chooses show opening maneuvers, doesn't focus fire, or takes several turns between passing. What you describe sounds like stalling. A slow player should be active, and you shouldn't have fewer rounds than any other game. Honestly, it l you should have more.

Nobody ever won anything important by being a nice guy.

And there's the first signs of the toxic elite creeping into Xwing. Fitting it's from a poster with a Warhammer icon, lots of those shennanigans in the WHFB/WH40k communities.

Honestly, discouraging players from being nice to one another, terrible.

EDIT:

Also, that statement is complete bull. I've participated in many tournaments of various types of games where people were 'nice guys' and also won the tournament (myself included), so yeah totally bogus statement. Jerk players tend to get escorted out once they hit critical jerk.

Nobody ever won anything important by being a nice guy.

And there's the first signs of the toxic elite creeping into Xwing. Fitting it's from a poster with a Warhammer icon, lots of those shennanigans in the WHFB/WH40k communities.

Honestly, discouraging players from being nice to one another, terrible.

Nobody ever won anything important by being a nice guy.

And there's the first signs of the toxic elite creeping into Xwing. Fitting it's from a poster with a Warhammer icon, lots of those shennanigans in the WHFB/WH40k communities.

Honestly, discouraging players from being nice to one another, terrible.

It's always been there, and always will be. Don't sweat it. Just have fun and play the game. But the guys post wasn't toxic or elitist. Just competitive. There is nothing wrong with it.

Encouraging players to not be nice? Yeah that's toxic.

Nobody ever won anything important by being a nice guy.

And there's the first signs of the toxic elite creeping into Xwing. Fitting it's from a poster with a Warhammer icon, lots of those shennanigans in the WHFB/WH40k communities.

Honestly, discouraging players from being nice to one another, terrible.

It's always been there, and always will be. Don't sweat it. Just have fun and play the game. But the guys post wasn't toxic or elitist. Just competitive. There is nothing wrong with it.

Encouraging players to not be nice? Yeah that's toxic.

Nobody ever won anything important by being a nice guy.

And there's the first signs of the toxic elite creeping into Xwing. Fitting it's from a poster with a Warhammer icon, lots of those shennanigans in the WHFB/WH40k communities.

Honestly, discouraging players from being nice to one another, terrible.

It's always been there, and always will be. Don't sweat it. Just have fun and play the game. But the guys post wasn't toxic or elitist. Just competitive. There is nothing wrong with it.

Thank you. We all enjoy the game in different ways, and I enjoy it most when I win. Don't get me wrong, I have all the patience and compassion in the world when it comes to friendly games, and I'm nothing but courteous when it comes to playing strangers. That doesn't mean, however, that I'm about to gift my opponent with unnecessary advantages, especially if I feel like he's trying to get one over on me in a tournament setting.

Please bear in mind that the player you're responding to is a known troll with a penchant for following me from thread to thread for some perverse reason. I've already reported him for harassment, and I hope others will do the same.

why not have set turn time limit of say 3 minutes per turn?? or better yet make it a two minute limit.. that way it would discourage SWARMS!!!!lol you snooze you loose,,,

Nobody ever won anything important by being a nice guy.

And there's the first signs of the toxic elite creeping into Xwing. Fitting it's from a poster with a Warhammer icon, lots of those shennanigans in the WHFB/WH40k communities.

Honestly, discouraging players from being nice to one another, terrible.

It's always been there, and always will be. Don't sweat it. Just have fun and play the game. But the guys post wasn't toxic or elitist. Just competitive. There is nothing wrong with it.

Encouraging players to not be nice? Yeah that's toxic.

He encouraged the player to contact a TO if he suspected Foul Play. That isn't toxic in the least. It's standard tournament procedure and there is nothing mean about doing so. Take the statement in context.

"Nobody ever won anything important by being a nice guy." How else do you take a statement like that? Stop trying to cover for him. Go look over his post history.

Being nice and being assertive are not mutually exclusive. That's exactly how a statement like his makes it sound, like you can't be a 'nice guy' and be assertive. This is incorrect and a damaging philosophy to introduce to a gaming community.

I've had my share of slow-play tactics done to me,usually on the last game of a tourney,my opponent wanting to 'stall -to-a-draw' instead of taking a loss.In a pay to play tournament,I call him out on it.

I'm not covering for anybody. I just don't approve of calling enforcing the rules Toxic. I'm a forgiving person myself, but I would hate to have someone not call me out if they thought I was cheating. If I were this guys opponent I'ld have wanted those suspicions aired because even if I don't know I'm slow playing I should be called out for playing slow.(Although I am not the type to deliberate moves often.)

Fact is, his message is correct. You suspect cheating you call the TO and they decide if something is amiss.

Coddling your opponent is disrespectful to them. Not enforcing the rules is toxic to your tournament community if it's being used exploitatively.

Here's a question for you guys, since being nice appears to be a sticking point. You've made it deep in a tournament, and your opponent keeps forgetting about his abilities. Maybe his Firespray has Recon Specialist, but he's taking only one focus. Maybe for some absurd reason he isn't using Gunner after Han misses. Do you remind him, or do you let him try to figure it out for himself?

How many turns did you get in over the game time?(And how long was the time limit. What did things look like at the end. We can't make a very informed decision without those, but I would trust your intuition.

60 minute rounds

i would guess we got like, 7-8 turns in

He's saying that the pace of the game and starting off at a points disadvantage in a timed game altered the way he had to play if he wanted a chance at winning because he felt his opponent was trying to stall while he had the points advantage.

right on the head

I'm not covering for anybody. I just don't approve of calling enforcing the rules Toxic. I'm a forgiving person myself, but I would hate to have someone not call me out if they thought I was cheating. If I were this guys opponent I'ld have wanted those suspicions aired because even if I don't know I'm slow playing I should be called out for playing slow.(Although I am not the type to deliberate moves often.)

Fact is, his message is correct. You suspect cheating you call the TO and they decide if something is amiss.

Coddling your opponent is disrespectful to them. Not enforcing the rules is toxic to your tournament community if it's being used exploitatively.

You can enforce the rules and be nice about it, that's the whole point of what I'm saying and why trying to tell people they won't get anywhere by being nice is such a garbage statement.