Had a friend counsel me on these two Vader lists. Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated. Y the way... I REALLY want Vader in a list or two. So please no "Don't use him," comments please.

Vader A- 100 Points

TA Vader (39)

- Engine Upgrade

- Cluster Missiles

- Marksman

TF Howlrunner

- Determination (19)

TF Black Squadron Pilot (14)

TF Black Squadron Pilot (14)

TF Black Squadron Pilot (14)

Vader B- 100 Points

TA Vader (39)

- Engine Upgrade

- Cluster Missiles

- Marksman

TF Howlrunner (18)

TF Mauler (18)

- Veteran Instincts

TI Royal Guard (25)

- Push the Limit

Thoughts?

First off, replace Marksmanship with something else. Vader is unique in the sense that he can take two actions and not suffer stress for it. This makes Squad Leader a great upgrade for him. Heck, he might be the only pilot who can really use it!

Vader's best friends are Howlrunner (re-rolls) and Soontir Fel.(PtL fits so nicely with his ability).

Vader+Squad Leader+Engine

Soontir Fel+PtL

Howlrunner

This leaves you with 17 points for another tie and possible upgrades!

Or go with the Darevader - he's the only ship that can really make use of that too (except Tycho once Rebel Aces hits).

Vader (29)

Engine Upgrade (4)

Daredevil (3)

Now, he can F/TL/E + BR/Boost/DD... or BR/Boost + DD. Too bad he can't DD + BR since he'll be stressed after DD. Still, he's the only character that can boost + DD without assistance from someone else in order to basically turn around without turning around. Heh, 1 bank, 1 boost bank, 1 turn - that will turn him around (and be stressed) he'll just be horizontally farther away instead of vertically farther away.

First off, replace Marksmanship with something else. Vader is unique in the sense that he can take two actions and not suffer stress for it. This makes Squad Leader a great upgrade for him. Heck, he might be the only pilot who can really use it!

Vader's best friends are Howlrunner (re-rolls) and Soontir Fel.(PtL fits so nicely with his ability).

Vader+Squad Leader+Engine

Soontir Fel+PtL

Howlrunner

This leaves you with 17 points for another tie and possible upgrades!

Well... I was thinking of using Vader to sprint and flank using missiles and marksman early. In that case, marksman would work very well, would it not?

I agree with the Marksmanship comment... don't put it on Vader. Also, if you want missiles, might I suggest Concussion because you'll be able to fire those within the first few rounds at Range 3 (with TL + Focus).

100 pts

Vader + Concussion + Engine (37)

Howlrunner + Swarm Tactics + Stealth (23)

Backstabber (16)

Academy Tie x2 (24)

First off, replace Marksmanship with something else. Vader is unique in the sense that he can take two actions and not suffer stress for it. This makes Squad Leader a great upgrade for him. Heck, he might be the only pilot who can really use it!

Vader's best friends are Howlrunner (re-rolls) and Soontir Fel.(PtL fits so nicely with his ability).

Vader+Squad Leader+Engine

Soontir Fel+PtL

Howlrunner

This leaves you with 17 points for another tie and possible upgrades!

Well... I was thinking of using Vader to sprint and flank using missiles and marksman early. In that case, marksman would work very well, would it not?

Marksmanship will take 1 action away, and Vader is only throwing 2 attack (3 in R1) dice. That's not worth the 3 pts.

If you use missiles, ALWAYS have a TL+Focus

First off, replace Marksmanship with something else. Vader is unique in the sense that he can take two actions and not suffer stress for it. This makes Squad Leader a great upgrade for him. Heck, he might be the only pilot who can really use it!

Vader's best friends are Howlrunner (re-rolls) and Soontir Fel.(PtL fits so nicely with his ability).

Vader+Squad Leader+Engine

Soontir Fel+PtL

Howlrunner

This leaves you with 17 points for another tie and possible upgrades!

Well... I was thinking of using Vader to sprint and flank using missiles and marksman early. In that case, marksman would work very well, would it not?

But you'd be spending 3 points for a one time use only. Vader can do better. Honestly, Marks only works well with Luke and Stele because of their pilot abilities.

As for missiles, I like Concussion because it turns a blank into a hit. Add focus to that and you've got a max damage missile.

Ok...

How about...

Vader

- Concussion

- Engine

Howlrunner

-Swarm Tactics

Night Beast

2X Black Squadron

Or go with the Darevader - he's the only ship that can really make use of that too (except Tycho once Rebel Aces hits).

Vader (29)

Engine Upgrade (4)

Daredevil (3)

Now, he can F/TL/E + BR/Boost/DD... or BR/Boost + DD. Too bad he can't DD + BR since he'll be stressed after DD. Still, he's the only character that can boost + DD without assistance from someone else in order to basically turn around without turning around. Heh, 1 bank, 1 boost bank, 1 turn - that will turn him around (and be stressed) he'll just be horizontally farther away instead of vertically farther away.

Forgive the noob question but why would vader be stressed?

Thought daredevil only made you take damage if you don't have boost icon in action bar?

Back to vader tho I thought he might do well with engine upgrade and expose

Or go with the Darevader - he's the only ship that can really make use of that too (except Tycho once Rebel Aces hits).

Vader (29)

Engine Upgrade (4)

Daredevil (3)

Now, he can F/TL/E + BR/Boost/DD... or BR/Boost + DD. Too bad he can't DD + BR since he'll be stressed after DD. Still, he's the only character that can boost + DD without assistance from someone else in order to basically turn around without turning around. Heh, 1 bank, 1 boost bank, 1 turn - that will turn him around (and be stressed) he'll just be horizontally farther away instead of vertically farther away.

Forgive the noob question but why would vader be stressed?

Thought daredevil only made you take damage if you don't have boost icon in action bar?

Back to vader tho I thought he might do well with engine upgrade and expose

Or go with the Darevader - he's the only ship that can really make use of that too (except Tycho once Rebel Aces hits).

Vader (29)

Engine Upgrade (4)

Daredevil (3)

Now, he can F/TL/E + BR/Boost/DD... or BR/Boost + DD. Too bad he can't DD + BR since he'll be stressed after DD. Still, he's the only character that can boost + DD without assistance from someone else in order to basically turn around without turning around. Heh, 1 bank, 1 boost bank, 1 turn - that will turn him around (and be stressed) he'll just be horizontally farther away instead of vertically farther away.

Forgive the noob question but why would vader be stressed?

Thought daredevil only made you take damage if you don't have boost icon in action bar?

Back to vader tho I thought he might do well with engine upgrade and expose

Daredevil was updated in the FAQ in Oct. 2013

First off, replace Marksmanship with something else. Vader is unique in the sense that he can take two actions and not suffer stress for it. This makes Squad Leader a great upgrade for him. Heck, he might be the only pilot who can really use it!

Vader's best friends are Howlrunner (re-rolls) and Soontir Fel.(PtL fits so nicely with his ability).

Vader+Squad Leader+Engine

Soontir Fel+PtL

Howlrunner

This leaves you with 17 points for another tie and possible upgrades!

Well... I was thinking of using Vader to sprint and flank using missiles and marksman early. In that case, marksman would work very well, would it not?

But you'd be spending 3 points for a one time use only. Vader can do better. Honestly, Marks only works well with Luke and Stele because of their pilot abilities.

As for missiles, I like Concussion because it turns a blank into a hit. Add focus to that and you've got a max damage missile.

I guess it could go either way. Depends on the target and how hard the dice hit on the first attack. Vader could conceivably wallop a key opponent ship all by himself in the first round.

Just food for thought... I'm going to try out both options and find which one works better over a few friendly matches. Credit to Jeff for the info.

First off, replace Marksmanship with something else. Vader is unique in the sense that he can take two actions and not suffer stress for it. This makes Squad Leader a great upgrade for him. Heck, he might be the only pilot who can really use it!

I personally disagree with Squad Leader in general, and certainly on a TIE Advanced. You're paying a tax of 2 to simply move an action from one ship to another. This essentially gives you a ship with 2 actions, and a TIE Advanced with 1 action. A TIE Advanced with 1 action is horribly overcosted. You might as well drop Vader for a more combat effective ship, and put PtL on someone, or just get better/more ships.

If you really want to use Vader, then use him in a way that takes advantage of his 2 actions. DareVader is a ton of points but is hyper-mobile. (Vader + Daredevil + Engine Upgrade).

Just my 2 cents.

Edit: If you look at the Store Championship thread, you'll see that Vader has been used in 3 ways:

• Assault Missiles
• 3 amigos (Vader + Soontir Fel + Turr)
• Vader + Missile with Jonus backup (Cluster Missile and Assault Missile both being good options)

GoogleDoc:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aoi-dE5epNFzdHVWNmJjMkFMdklZRXhTSVVpUldMZHc&usp=sharing

Had a friend counsel me on these two Vader lists. Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated. Y the way... I REALLY want Vader in a list or two. So please no "Don't use him," comments please.

Vader A- 100 Points

TA Vader (39)

- Engine Upgrade

- Cluster Missiles

- Marksman

TF Howlrunner

- Determination (19)

TF Black Squadron Pilot (14)

TF Black Squadron Pilot (14)

TF Black Squadron Pilot (14)

Vader B- 100 Points

TA Vader (39)

- Engine Upgrade

- Cluster Missiles

- Marksman

TF Howlrunner (18)

TF Mauler (18)

- Veteran Instincts

TI Royal Guard (25)

- Push the Limit

Thoughts?

Vader with engine upgrade is crazy good. It will get you out of a bad spot from being ionized. I would keep Cluster with Vader to work over any B's or YT's that you might face.

From there it would be good to have either a big ship or a small swarmlet to be the meat of your squad and then an interceptor to be your flanker, moving in to finish of damaged ships.

If I was making a list I would go:

Vader

E.U.

Cluster

B.H.

Recon Specialist

R.Guard.

PTL

TC

B.H. would be the meat and the R.G. and Vader would be the flankers.