I hope to god the Yuzzum Vong never appear in our game. Their introduction signaled a big downturn in the quality of the core series of Star Wars extended universe novels. Once they took a back burner, things started to improve again.

Honestly, it's like someone sat down and played StarCraft for a few weeks only as the Zerg and decided "hey u kno wat wud b reeeeel cul?" then designed them and their 'everything is organic' shennanigans.

as i mentioned on the 2nd page that i really hate the vongs we still could see 2 big rebel like ships of em 2 mediuam ships and 1 fighter +1 one bomber type of fighter so we would have 6 vong products for the vong fans. even if i dont like em i would like to fight em . IF FFG brings em up as 4th faction after the pirates hit us hopefully man i want PIRATES DAMMIT !!

I want Pirates more than Vong, Chiss and Droid Wars combined X 2million. I've only seen pictures, and read a few things, but I love those pirate ships. In fact, I love the StarViper. The BlackSun Fighters, especially the Heavy one, are just too awesome not to want.

If FFG do Pirates, the ships I've mentioned, I will only have six words to say:

"SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY"

Are you reading FFG?

WE WANT PIRATES! You give, we buy, badda bing badda boom, done!

In my opinion the YV were some of the best Star Wars novels that have been written. First they appear: faceless "monstrosities" who slaughter millions. The galaxy reels at the sudden attack, the Jedi are handicapped (they can't sense them, but they aren't like ysalamiri where they are helpless). As the galaxy falls to the foe, the Order splits between hard liners like Kyp and the more conservative voice of Master Skywalker. Public sentiment begins to turn against the Jedi (why aren't they more involved in the war). Coruscant falls. Meanwhile we slowly begin to understand the Vong: they have their morals, guidelines, honor; they are every bit as devoted to their conquest as the Jeedai are to preserve peace. They are the face of a true villain: not the maniacal laughing kind (let's be honest, that is how most villains are portrayed these days) but the kind that believes in what they are doing, that feels that it is right and just; the type of villain where, if the situation was reversed they could even be called heroes.

The organic tech was not meant to feel like something from the Star Wars galaxy because the Vong are an extragalactic race, so they developed technology differently than the species in the Star Wars galaxy

However, as much as I love the Vong, there is very little that they could contribute to the game, so I doubt we will see them. Make a capital class version of this game, though, and we might have something.

In my opinion the YV were some of the best Star Wars novels that have been written. First they appear: faceless "monstrosities" who slaughter millions. The galaxy reels at the sudden attack, the Jedi are handicapped (they can't sense them, but they aren't like ysalamiri where they are helpless). As the galaxy falls to the foe, the Order splits between hard liners like Kyp and the more conservative voice of Master Skywalker. Public sentiment begins to turn against the Jedi (why aren't they more involved in the war). Coruscant falls. Meanwhile we slowly begin to understand the Vong: they have their morals, guidelines, honor; they are every bit as devoted to their conquest as the Jeedai are to preserve peace. They are the face of a true villain: not the maniacal laughing kind (let's be honest, that is how most villains are portrayed these days) but the kind that believes in what they are doing, that feels that it is right and just; the type of villain where, if the situation was reversed they could even be called heroes.

The organic tech was not meant to feel like something from the Star Wars galaxy because the Vong are an extragalactic race, so they developed technology differently than the species in the Star Wars galaxy

However, as much as I love the Vong, there is very little that they could contribute to the game, so I doubt we will see them. Make a capital class version of this game, though, and we might have something.

i like ure view of looking mr.Revanchist

well i would love to fight em but not collect told it 2 times now i guess. some corral skippers as thier standard fighters then a bomber type and bring on mediuam sized ships with 1 big fat capital one or maybe even 2. i think they will come out.

and the thing that this game cna have up to 3 or even 4 factions playable shows this star treck copy paste/ rip off game that use the same range ruler and rules like x wing but thier ships look awfull ( still 3 player based )

FFG are doing Galactic Civil War and things that fit amongst them. E-wing's a good example of that. They can't go back because it seems Disney wants to hide the prequel stuff under the rug, and they can't go forward because Disney haven't made it yet.

The presence of the E-wing's actually pretty interesting, given I've no doubt they go through Lucas Licensing for each ship. Maybe a hint to the bits of EU they aren't wiping?

Not sure if anyone mentioned, but FFG has the license for all the Star Wars material. Which is why they can take any ship they want, or characters. Why we see Kyle Katarn and some EU characters like the pilots of the E-wings, they can use just about anything Star Wars. (As far as I know, so far all Star Wars FFG games branch out to anything.)

I don't think the YV fit because it is too far along the line of Lore. In terms of time, we have so far branched out to just after the Battle of Endor in terms of what ships we get to use. I'm thinking maybe they will drop more from the GCW, along with some additions from when Coruscant was being taken from the Empire.

For the love of the Force, please! No Vong!

Am I alone in feeling that the Legacies Era is more appealing to X-Wing fans than the Yuuzan-Vong invasion?

Crossifres and TwinTails against Predators and Neutralizers. Think what you will about the political situation, but the sleek starfighters of that period are cool .

Regarding the Vong: HATE! Sorry I have nothing to add to all the excellent points made by those above who have described how wrong they are for the SW universe. They could have seriously done well in the 40K universe but not in SW imho.

Regarding the new SW movies:

A) Disney deals in symbols/ icons (i.e. the Knight in Shining armour, Prince Charming, the Evil Witch, the lovely princess and dogs playing with their spaghetti) so they will want to take the more iconic stuff from the OT (and possibly the prequels) like fast fighter craft, Jedi with lightsabres, the Force, over polite protocol droids with their domed-shaped appendages and storm-troopers and turn them into something to which people can relate.

I guess the Vong do not fit that image...

I find it amusing that so many people seem to know the details of FFGs licensing agreements. Must have friends in high places.

That said, I don't think the Vong would be a good fit for the game, and I don't find them very compelling enemies.

Haven't seen it mentioned here yet - it was announced yesterday that Peter Mayhew is signed to reprise his role as Chewbacca in Episode VII. Read into that what you will about the likelihood of the EU being recognized as canon by the Disney powers that be. Doesn't mean the YV won't show up in this game, but it seems to indicate we won't see them in Episode VII (or they'll use them to tell a different story than we know, if they do).

Haven't seen it mentioned here yet - it was announced yesterday that Peter Mayhew is signed to reprise his role as Chewbacca in Episode VII. Read into that what you will about the likelihood of the EU being recognized as canon by the Disney powers that be. Doesn't mean the YV won't show up in this game, but it seems to indicate we won't see them in Episode VII (or they'll use them to tell a different story than we know, if they do).

Flashbacks, maybe?? Please??

I suspect that most EU won't survive the opening crawl.

I am betting most of the eu between Return of the jedi and right before New Jedi Order does survive. Despite the fact that I really liked NJO it will be dropped from EU and with its disappearance it will give disney some fluff and explanation for the first 20 years after RotJ with a 10 year window to set up whatever story they are going to use for episode VII.

I am betting most of the eu between Return of the jedi and right before New Jedi Order does survive.\

It really all depends on when the movies take place. I do think that it's likely most stuff between end of RotJ and the start of Ep 7 has a chance to survive, although I don't think all of it will. Disney would be kind of silly to throw all of it out, if it doesn't interfere with what they want to do with these movies.

Myself I actually hope they throw out a fair amount of that stuff to though, they way they so vastly overpowered Luke and Sidious in the EU got more then a bit silly. Far better IMO to have Luke just be a really powerful Jedi, not a demi-god, then they can keep the overall power level down below the 9000 mark.

I am betting most of the eu between Return of the jedi and right before New Jedi Order does survive.\

It really all depends on when the movies take place. I do think that it's likely most stuff between end of RotJ and the start of Ep 7 has a chance to survive, although I don't think all of it will. Disney would be kind of silly to throw all of it out, if it doesn't interfere with what they want to do with these movies.Myself I actually hope they throw out a fair amount of that stuff to though, they way they so vastly overpowered Luke and Sidious in the EU got more then a bit silly. Far better IMO to have Luke just be a really powerful Jedi, not a demi-god, then they can keep the overall power level down below the 9000 mark.

I could very easily be wrong here, but there are some facts that make the Vong seem unlikely.

First, the new movies are 30 years later. I believe this has been confirmed. Second. Chewbacca is confirmed to be in the new movies. Barring a flashback sequence of his death, this makes it unlikley the YV arc 20 years post Jedi that kicked off with Chewie's death can be considered Canon, destroying much of the continued story.

If I'm wrong please correct me. I bugged out of the EU around Chewie's death.

I am betting most of the eu between Return of the jedi and right before New Jedi Order does survive.\

It really all depends on when the movies take place. I do think that it's likely most stuff between end of RotJ and the start of Ep 7 has a chance to survive, although I don't think all of it will. Disney would be kind of silly to throw all of it out, if it doesn't interfere with what they want to do with these movies.

Myself I actually hope they throw out a fair amount of that stuff to though, they way they so vastly overpowered Luke and Sidious in the EU got more then a bit silly. Far better IMO to have Luke just be a really powerful Jedi, not a demi-god, then they can keep the overall power level down below the 9000 mark.

I am not sure if it is set in stone but I read or heard somewhere that Episode VII takes place 30 years after RotJ

Barring a flashback sequence of his death, this makes it unlikley the YV arc 20 years post Jedi that kicked off with Chewie's death can be considered Canon, destroying much of the continued story.

I've heard the 30 years as well. If Chewie is in the movie then yes that will make at least some of current EU stuff non-canon. I have a lot of trouble believing that Disney would let Chewie stay dead, if they have a way around it. Everyone loves Chewie, which makes him a huge marketing object. Plus I don't think anyone was happy when he was killed off. So this will make most fans happy.

I heard 30 years after RotJ.

Since nobody tells me nothin, the fact that I heard this is a good sign.

Barring a flashback sequence of his death, this makes it unlikley the YV arc 20 years post Jedi that kicked off with Chewie's death can be considered Canon, destroying much of the continued story.

I've heard the 30 years as well. If Chewie is in the movie then yes that will make at least some of current EU stuff non-canon. I have a lot of trouble believing that Disney would let Chewie stay dead, if they have a way around it. Everyone loves Chewie, which makes him a huge marketing object. Plus I don't think anyone was happy when he was killed off. So this will make most fans happy.

I will disagree here; I know many who liked Chewie's death (not in that they were glad they were gone, but come on, even Captain Kirk dies in Star Trek). The movie is supposedly set 30 years after RotJ, which puts it about 5 years after the Vong. Given the health (in particular his knees, if I recall) I could actually see him only appearing in flashbacks, as it wouldn't be too taxing on him.

Palpatine was actually a good guy, just trying to unite the galaxy in preparation for the Vong invasion.

He knew the Vong were coming and that the pacifist Jedi/Republic were not prepared to fight off an invasion, so he turned to the dark side and created an empire that could protect the entire galaxy.

But seriously, can you imagine if The rebellion had been crushed at Yavin and the Empire was still in power when the Vong arrived?

Worldships meet Death Stars 1 and 2.

"This battlestation will be very operational when your friends arrive."

Palpatine was actually a good guy, just trying to unite the galaxy in preparation for the Vong invasion.

He knew the Vong were coming and that the pacifist Jedi/Republic were not prepared to fight off an invasion, so he turned to the dark side and created an empire that could protect the entire galaxy.

But seriously, can you imagine if The rebellion had been crushed at Yavin and the Empire was still in power when the Vong arrived?

Worldships meet Death Stars 1 and 2.

"This battlestation will be very operational when your friends arrive."

To go back to the tech tech vs bio tech, for me it kills immersion. Biology takes shortcuts and does not optimize any more than it needs to, to survive. In avatar, there is no reason the big rhino things should live when shot with heavy repeating rifles. Look at our tech base, woefully below Star Wars, yet there is no natural creature that can withstand the firepower a single person can carry, much less a tank. Starwars measures their weapon output values in absurdly high numbers, chek the wars vs trek posts on stardestroyer.net. Even tinkering with the genetics I don't see how you get biological hyper drives, shields, blasters or even space propulsion systems. How does a living ship keep it's fluids from boiling? Bio tech kills immersion for me.

Engineered biology can do almost anything. The same goes for Biology living in a truly hostile environment.(See Avatar.) Given time Life can adapt to handle heavy rifle fire and can be made to do so in a much smaller time. I mean look at the armor some of the dinosaurs had. Bone plates several inches thick armoring their backs. That could take a heavy rifle round pretty easily.

Heavy rifle, maybe. There would be shattering and internal trauma. Hit the same creature with a RPG or TOW and, no, it will just be a steaming pile of half cooked meat.

As to the former, no. There is no evidence in nature of a resilience like CHOABM armor or the steel plates on battleships, nothing even close to the density of depleted uranium. Living systems do not cope well with intense radiation and that is a major feature of space, and space combat. Tech tech doesn't need to accommodate living systems, no blood, no nutrients needed for every segment of the design, just electricity and only in certain spots. Nano machines, sure, cells not so much. Yes the dinosaurs were cool, no they can't withstand modern fire arms.

If you aren't willing to accept that Biology can be modified to just as much of degree as tech how can you buy into anything in Star Wars. There are all sorts of Organic creatures that can withstand nigh on impossible conditions. Technology is pretty crappy in comparison to Biology. It works in very specific conditions with no way to adapt. I mean it when I say that biotech is infinitely more useful than straight tech, and is perfectly capable of adapting to any set of conditions, given the capabilities for Bio-engineering seen in Star Wars.

Tech and Biotech in science fiction are both equally plausible, and one of them is far more likely to be able to repair itself.

Have you seen what Graphene can do? Now remember that Carbon is a key feature in living things. In fact Organic basically means, Has Carbon. Give me one good reason that given a society capable of making a Laser that makes planets explode couldn't engineer a creature designed to exploit Graphene's lightweight durability in carbon based life forms. Or it's conductivity or any number of it's other really cool features. Same with Carbon Nano-tubes. are you aware life forms in Avatar were described as having those... Because that could explain a whole lot of their durability if certain numbers of muscle fibers were nigh on indestructable biological bits.

Radiation doesn't affect certain protiens(such as Prions.) and there are plenty of creatures that can survive copious amounts of radiation.(Up to 100 times as much as humans.) That's here. On earth. There's a good chance life in other places can survive significantly more, and can be engineered to repair or even ignore the genetic damage caused by radiation.