FFG are doing Galactic Civil War and things that fit amongst them. E-wing's a good example of that. They can't go back because it seems Disney wants to hide the prequel stuff under the rug, and they can't go forward because Disney haven't made it yet.

The presence of the E-wing's actually pretty interesting, given I've no doubt they go through Lucas Licensing for each ship. Maybe a hint to the bits of EU they aren't wiping?

For me, I dislike an enemy that is introduced that they make out to be so bad ass that nothing can defeat them. Once that's done then they cheeseball it so that the heros win, after losing a few good heros or sideline characters... this happens too often, and I feel that they need to not make the bad guys too over the top, because then the victory is overshadowed by the sudden ease of their victory..

Happened in Stargate as well with the Ori...

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Some strong arguments against the Vong. Didn't appreciate how bad they were but that's why I put it to the community. As for "Galactic Civil War Period", at least one Vong scout reached the Galaxy as early as 3,963 BBY and between 229 BBY and 89 BBY a living planet arrived. Around 27 BBY the Vong engaged the Chiss Expansionary Defense Force.

So while I accept the dislike of the Vong from those who have had to suffer knowing them, the timeline argument is not valid. If you went for a strict "Galactic Civil War Only" approach that would mean no pirates and no Chiss....

I think there's retcons, and then there's RETCONS.

There's a big, BIG difference between pirates (whose existence is naturally extrapolated from the criminal organizations shown via Hutts and bounty hunters in the movies) and races which expanded to always be there, if rare (like the Chiss) but have been accepted and become regular parts of the entire timeline and "Oh, these events were always so super-secret that nobody ever knew they happened but they TOTALLY did" retcons to try and cram your new crap into the existing timelines.

Also, the mere fact that you have to write "a living planet arrived" proves just how stupid the YV were.

I've just had a crazy idea!

Who do you hate more Jar Jar Binks or the Yuuzhan Vong?

Yes you have to pick one!

I've just had a crazy idea!

Who do you hate more Jar Jar Binks or the Yuuzhan Vong?

Yes you have to pick one!

Jar Jar, because the Vong are awesome.

I'd have to say Jar Jar but that may be unfair since I don't know the Vong very well.

The horrible UV stopped me dead on reading Star Wars books. I had been reading all the EU stuff up to then but it killed it for me, they were that much a not Star Wars thing dumped in the universe. I got a couple books in but bleugh.

Heard some of the later stuff was readable again but not sure where to jump back in. Seems The Clone Wars series put a few bits of the later books into the series making it canon like the Ones and the Dathomir Witches.

iam totaly no fan of the vong -.-

they killed so many god **** well known star wars veterans >.>

...

that was actually one of the positive aspects, not necessarily how and which characters, but that in general the main cast seemed a bit less immortal.

otherwise they used obvious and absolute narrative counters (biotech, force), which turned up to be not so absolute in the end (obviously ) - felt a bit too... constructed, to say it kindly.

For me, I dislike an enemy that is introduced that they make out to be so bad ass that nothing can defeat them. Once that's done then they cheeseball it so that the heros win, after losing a few good heros or sideline characters... this happens too often, and I feel that they need to not make the bad guys too over the top, because then the victory is overshadowed by the sudden ease of their victory..

Happened in Stargate as well with the Ori...

I view it more as a their tech was so different and their tactics so different that at first they seemed unbeatable but once their weaknesses were discovered they could be exploited. Plus they had advanced scouts that could relay tactics back to the fleet so the vong knew how to fight the new republics forces but not the other way around. Also in the beginning it was just the new republic fighting them and at first they were acting alot like Europe when Hitler started taking countries. By the end you had the new republic, the chiss ascendancy, the galactic remnant, the hapes consortium and I feel like I am missing some group here as well. So to me it didn't seem like it was easy. The vong didn't adapt, everyone else did adapttheir tactics, and the entire galaxy worked together against them as well as the uprising in their own ranks from the lowest class.

I dislike the Vong more than I dislike Jar Jar. I understand why they created Jar Jarand even feel that while he is annoying he fits into Star Wars just fine. The Vong, not so much.

The horrible UV stopped me dead on reading Star Wars books. I had been reading all the EU stuff up to then but it killed it for me, they were that much a not Star Wars thing dumped in the universe. I got a couple books in but bleugh.

Heard some of the later stuff was readable again but not sure where to jump back in. Seems The Clone Wars series put a few bits of the later books into the series making it canon like the Ones and the Dathomir Witches.

Who do you hate more Jar Jar Binks or the Yuuzhan Vong?

The YV, hand-down.

Jar Jar was annoying, but was not truly central to the stories. You could remove him from the prequels with minimal impact.

The YV, though, were intentionally made the central point for an entire block of the EU. Their existence ruined a TON of the direct EU books themselves, and the horrible writing surrounding them corrupted everything that came after. There's a reason that many of the newer books are going back to a mid-GCW timeline.

The chiss sounds like a great idea, didn't they have claw craft?

yep the clawcraft looks awesome and was super good aswell

I've just had a crazy idea!

Who do you hate more Jar Jar Binks or the Yuuzhan Vong?

Yes you have to pick one!

definetly the vong -.-

cause i love jar jar my first star wars movie was episode 1 >.>

I love the Vong and the NJO. I do not want to see Coralskippers in this game. I hate the official images so much. So ugly.

They didn't believe in the force so it didn't affect them. They had biotech melee weapons that blocked lightsabers. They were self harming nutjobs, something that would have left their culture at stone age level tech in any cultural cycle that took such things into account.

Actully the force does effect them. It was a living planet that cut them from the force. Luke had to focus to creat /find force powers that would work on them, which he did. One of the most powerful lightside powers that worked them was Emerald Force Lightning. Dark Siders and Sith have no problems using the force on them because their powers are unnatural.

One reason any force lightning that kills midi-chlorians is dangerious to Vong is because any creature that loses all of there midis dies, and things flat out without midis explode. It tends to be Purple force lightning and very likly Emerald that does this. Blue is in the middle of the wall, red is unknown, yellow has been shown to stun anything including droids. Its this power alone that makes vs crossovers a bad idea.

Now as fall as lightsabres go I doubt that Vong can block them all unless maybe from the Republic era. Both sides, sith mostly, can use diffrent ittems in the sabfe construction that makes the blade unique and powerful. Just of the top of my head if they had used a Krayt dragon pearl they probably would have cut through the Vong stuff. Now Sith if they work real hard can make blade with any attribute they want but on top of that Sidious, Vader, and Star Killer clones alone had mastered the sith ability to imbue the blade with the force and any powers they want. To make matters worse those powers dramtically feed off of anything touching the area adding that power to its own, other force attacks, the enemies lightsabre blade, blasters ect. I am sure that will cut through.

Cool

Some strong arguments against the Vong. Didn't appreciate how bad they were but that's why I put it to the community. As for "Galactic Civil War Period", at least one Vong scout reached the Galaxy as early as 3,963 BBY and between 229 BBY and 89 BBY a living planet arrived. Around 27 BBY the Vong engaged the Chiss Expansionary Defense Force.

So while I accept the dislike of the Vong from those who have had to suffer knowing them, the timeline argument is not valid. If you went for a strict "Galactic Civil War Only" approach that would mean no pirates and no Chiss....

But I have to say Chiss look cool. Like the look of the ships. But for some reason I think of Mystique whenever I see pictures of them.....

Sorry no pictures. FFG won't let me. Even though Mystique had clothes on.

Their was alot of conflicts with Pirates, Rebels(not the alliance), and powerful socipaths during the GSW.

For me, I dislike an enemy that is introduced that they make out to be so bad ass that nothing can defeat them. Once that's done then they cheeseball it so that the heros win, after losing a few good heros or sideline characters... this happens too often, and I feel that they need to not make the bad guys too over the top, because then the victory is overshadowed by the sudden ease of their victory..

Happened in Stargate as well with the Ori...

I view it more as a their tech was so different and their tactics so different that at first they seemed unbeatable but once their weaknesses were discovered they could be exploited. Plus they had advanced scouts that could relay tactics back to the fleet so the vong knew how to fight the new republics forces but not the other way around. Also in the beginning it was just the new republic fighting them and at first they were acting alot like Europe when Hitler started taking countries. By the end you had the new republic, the chiss ascendancy, the galactic remnant, the hapes consortium and I feel like I am missing some group here as well. So to me it didn't seem like it was easy. The vong didn't adapt, everyone else did adapttheir tactics, and the entire galaxy worked together against them as well as the uprising in their own ranks from the lowest class.

What you have described is whats known in the gaming world as new army syndrom. Unless they do a bad job designing them people normal focus on the strengths and not the weaknesses they have.

Actully the force does effect them. It was a living planet that cut them from the force. Luke had to focus to creat /find force powers that would work on them, which he did. One of the most powerful lightside powers that worked them was Emerald Force Lightning. Dark Siders and Sith have no problems using the force on them because their powers are unnatural.

One reason any force lightning that kills midi-chlorians is dangerious to Vong is because any creature that loses all of there midis dies, and things flat out without midis explode. It tends to be Purple force lightning and very likly Emerald that does this. Blue is in the middle of the wall, red is unknown, yellow has been shown to stun anything including droids. Its this power alone that makes vs crossovers a bad idea.

But what happens when someone tries to use the Green Force Lightning of Will against someone wearing yellow?

Descriptions like this are why the entire EU went to hell.

I suspect that either the Yuuzhan Vong and the NJO will be centerpieces of episode VII, or they'll be written out of the continuity entirely.

I'm betting they get removed myself.

This.

More than likely JJ and company are throwing the Vong out with the rest of the garbage. Chewbacca should've never died!

I'm a little surprised to see so much Negativity towards the vong. I liked the NJO series and the vong because:
1: The villains weren't a simple rehashing of the empire, but were powerful enough to seriously threaten the galaxy. The empire is thoroughly played out as a threat, and so are the sith.
2: a reintroduction of suspense. Main characters die, early on, in order to make it clear that the literary gloves are off and the usual bounds that EU fiction were restricted by didn't necessarily apply. I couldn't just assume that my characters would win the day and make it through unscathed. In real stories the heroes die sometimes, and the stories are usually better for it.
3: the Vong were reasonably alien. Not toooo alien, but alien enough to be different from everyone else. Biological tech is a trope of sci fi, but not a terrible one in my estimation.
4: good, slow-played character arcs, not just for main characters. Ganner Rhysode being my personal favorite.

The only EU I would put over NJO is the thrawn arc, and even then not by too much.

What? Vong? I never heard of them before this topic, of course I'm not a EU fan, just fan of the movies, so my opinion is based only on the movies...

When you say Biological tech this came to my mind... "what... Zergs or Tyranids on SW? c'mon?"

I know this is speculation, but I thought I heard the Mouse said the EU was gone as far as anything post Jedi? That included books, and everything am I wrong?

I know this is speculation, but I thought I heard the Mouse said the EU was gone as far as anything post Jedi? That included books, and everything am I wrong?

They have a group put together that's determining what will stay as official and what they are throwing out, everything they keep will be official cannon.. As of right now its speculation as to what they are keeping and what they are throwing out. Some people took the announcement as only the movies were cannon and everything else is now gone. Others have taken it to mean everything will be cannon.

Actully the force does effect them. It was a living planet that cut them from the force. Luke had to focus to creat /find force powers that would work on them, which he did. One of the most powerful lightside powers that worked them was Emerald Force Lightning. Dark Siders and Sith have no problems using the force on them because their powers are unnatural.

One reason any force lightning that kills midi-chlorians is dangerious to Vong is because any creature that loses all of there midis dies, and things flat out without midis explode. It tends to be Purple force lightning and very likly Emerald that does this. Blue is in the middle of the wall, red is unknown, yellow has been shown to stun anything including droids. Its this power alone that makes vs crossovers a bad idea.

But what happens when someone tries to use the Green Force Lightning of Will against someone wearing yellow?

Descriptions like this are why the entire EU went to hell.

The yellow person dies. I am sorry you dont like it but there people, including me that do love this stuff. =)

They didn't believe in the force so it didn't affect them. They had biotech melee weapons that blocked lightsabers. They were self harming nutjobs, something that would have left their culture at stone age level tech in any cultural cycle that took such things into account.

Actully the force does effect them. It was a living planet that cut them from the force. Luke had to focus to creat /find force powers that would work on them, which he did. One of the most powerful lightside powers that worked them was Emerald Force Lightning. Dark Siders and Sith have no problems using the force on them because their powers are unnatural.

One reason any force lightning that kills midi-chlorians is dangerious to Vong is because any creature that loses all of there midis dies, and things flat out without midis explode. It tends to be Purple force lightning and very likly Emerald that does this. Blue is in the middle of the wall, red is unknown, yellow has been shown to stun anything including droids. Its this power alone that makes vs crossovers a bad idea.

Now as fall as lightsabres go I doubt that Vong can block them all unless maybe from the Republic era. Both sides, sith mostly, can use diffrent ittems in the sabfe construction that makes the blade unique and powerful. Just of the top of my head if they had used a Krayt dragon pearl they probably would have cut through the Vong stuff. Now Sith if they work real hard can make blade with any attribute they want but on top of that Sidious, Vader, and Star Killer clones alone had mastered the sith ability to imbue the blade with the force and any powers they want. To make matters worse those powers dramtically feed off of anything touching the area adding that power to its own, other force attacks, the enemies lightsabre blade, blasters ect. I am sure that will cut through.

Is this serious? What the hell?

Yeah I am 100% serious. You can find most of the information in the WOTC New Jedi Order soruce book.

Everything I wrote about Vaders, Sidious, and the Star killer clones you can find in SWTFU novel and game as well as a pannel from SW Dark Empire. One really cool scene with that imbue ability is in SWTFU2 when clone 11XX imbues a Turbo Laser bolt with massive amounts of force lightning. That one Turbo bolt burst a Imperial 1 SD into three pieces.