I have read I dunno how many threads here of GMs having their PCs find Lightsabers.

I thought that this was still in the early stages of the Rebellion and the setting is that the Empire is still very much in control and that "Jedi" is a forbidden topic of conversation let alone any of their objects or the such EXTREMELY hard to find...And yet I see people finding these things like they are water in Tatooine.

Hey, I want to play a Jedi as much as the next guy, but even Luke didnt get a Lightsaber until Obi-Wan gave it to him and then he just held on to an old one, AND Luke didnt even know what a Lightsaber was before he saw it.

So when I do start a PC w/ Force abilities I hope that it takes FOREVER and a Day to get a Lightsaber because they should be EXTREMELY RARE to find or Build.

Enjoy!

I've been playing for about 30 weeks and so far I've seen one. It was on the belt of some red-haired Imperial bint.

I've been playing for about 30 weeks and so far I've seen one. It was on the belt of some red-haired Imperial bint.

LOL, was she Hot?! And was her name, Cara or Shara or Dara or something

I've been playing for about 30 weeks and so far I've seen one. It was on the belt of some red-haired Imperial bint.

LOL, was she Hot?! And was her name, Cara or Shara or Dara or something

You've met her? I thought she was **** rude. We'll see how far that attitude takes her.

I answered this in the other thread. They are not easy to find as far as I've seen. Each game is its own world. I've seen people mention lightsabers, but in the grand scheme of things it is only representative of a drop in the bucket. It is not like all these games take place in the same game world like some Living Star Wars game.

Whats a light saber???

We've been playing for a year (27 sessions) and have never seen one. The closest my group came was a force-sensitive cult leader who had a double-sided virbrosword, and that freaked them out pretty hard.

My force sensitive player is so terrified of being found out it's hard enough to get her to USE force persuasion or move in the game, I think if she found a lightsaber it would stay back at the base or hidden unless it was the most dire of circumstances.

Probably relatively easy to find if you're in the right place with enough cash and a very high population to press the availability down, the actual consequences of using one and flashing it around will soon become more than its worth to live with.

OP: The only way people on Tatooine are finding them like water (which, as a slightly off-topic comment - water is not easy to find on Tatooine...), is if your GM is letting that be the case. So I would take it up with your GM...

I've been playing for about 30 weeks and so far I've seen one. It was on the belt of some red-haired Imperial bint.

LOL, was she Hot?! And was her name, Cara or Shara or Dara or something

Are you thinking of Daala? The female admiral in the Maw Installation?

I don't remember her using a lightsaber, but you know how the EU is. Eventually ******* everyone is a Jedi and using lightsabers like it's goram afternoon tea or some ****.

I think they're referring to Mara Jade.

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...And yet I see people finding these things like they are water in Tatooine.

Can we all just take a moment and recognize how warped this comparison is?

Shouldn't this be "people finding these things like they are sand on Tatooine"?

Also let's talk timeline. This is only about 20 years after O66. The idea that the Jedi are forgotten and ancient doesn't make sense. There were tons of Jedi, from systems all across the galaxy. People knew they existed. They were common enough for Rosie the Robot to recognize them based on their clothes in PM. The notion that everyone has forgotten is absurd. Citizens alive at the time of O66 are probably still alive in 0ABY. And don't give me that "Palpatine used the Force to lie to everyone ever about everything" bull. This is Star Wars, not Inception.

Edit: FFG edits "bull" to "bull"? Does it autoedit anything else?

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I think they're referring to Mara Jade.

I've read a LOT of the EU and never heard of any "Mara Jade".

Is that one of the NPCs in the adventure books?

I think they're referring to Mara Jade.

I've read a LOT of the EU and never heard of any "Mara Jade".

Is that one of the NPCs in the adventure books?

She was first introduced in the Thrawn books, a former Hand of the Emperor. Eventually marries Luke Skywalker. She's pretty big in the EU.

I think they're referring to Mara Jade.

I've read a LOT of the EU and never heard of any "Mara Jade".

Is that one of the NPCs in the adventure books?

PC's fall outside the realm of expected probability therefore the odds of finding anything rare are greatly increased by the amount that they want it and/or how much chaos it will cause.

I wouldn't say that lightsabers are common at all. It's sort of the predetermined conclusion for any Force user, but not something that is just lying around everywhere. Look at all the discussions of Force users. You'd think that there were 5 Force users to every bounty hunter, but I've played in 4 games and seen two (I'm playing one).

The irony about how hard and expensive it is to find a lightsaber is how easy it apparently is to build one. From what I've read, a vision through the Force here and there and a few credits in carbon in otherwise common parts there is about all you need. At the end of the day though, it's a story element. You should only be using a lightsaber if you want to identify as a Jedi (or insult them), and it's acquisition should be a milestone for a character. When the time is right and you are no longer concerned with living in the shadows, the Jedi and their lightsabers may rise again.

...And yet I see people finding these things like they are water in Tatooine.

Can we all just take a moment and recognize how warped this comparison is?

Shouldn't this be "people finding these things like they are sand on Tatooine"?

Also let's talk timeline. This is only about 20 years after O66. The idea that the Jedi are forgotten and ancient doesn't make sense. There were tons of Jedi, from systems all across the galaxy. People knew they existed. They were common enough for Rosie the Robot to recognize them based on their clothes in PM. The notion that everyone has forgotten is absurd. Citizens alive at the time of O66 are probably still alive in 0ABY. And don't give me that "Palpatine used the Force to lie to everyone ever about everything" bull. This is Star Wars, not Inception.

I tend to see lightsabers as rare, but not so rare that a party of "adventurers" wouldn't find one at some point. When you realize that their are lightsabers from the Old Republic era all the way to about 20 or so years before the setting of EotE, there should be lots of them around, some might even be functional. Now finding one and using it are two majorly different things in my book.

As for Jedi and the force. Here is my take. Most people who lived through the clone wars probably still blame the Jedi to some degree for the conflict. They might not buy the New Order line that the Jedi threatened to take over the government, but the Clone Wars were costly in both material and in a personal sense for many people. I would think if someone came across a person using the force they'd be concerned. If the person was old enough to have been in the Wars they probably would happily report them to the authorities. If the person was younger than that, they'd probably at least be concerned and shun them. I don't think anyone had forgotten the force, it was just better to ignore it, to pretend it didn't exist or that it was "evil". Let's look at terms used for Jedi or the force in A New Hope. Owen calls Obi Wan a "wizard" and General Motti mentions Vader's "sorcerer's ways". People remember they've just vilified the force and simplified anyone who uses it to be dealing with powers that are best left alone.

That's my take at least.

I think they're referring to Mara Jade.

I've read a LOT of the EU and never heard of any "Mara Jade".

Is that one of the NPCs in the adventure books?

She was first introduced in the Thrawn books, a former Hand of the Emperor. Eventually marries Luke Skywalker. She's pretty big in the EU.

I read those books man. There were a lot of cool folks in there: Talon Karrde, Mitth'raw'nuruodo, Pellaeon, Garm Bel Iblis, the Solo kids. But you've got it all wrong about Luke. He marries Teneniel Djo, the Dathomir witch.

I think they're referring to Mara Jade.

I've read a LOT of the EU and never heard of any "Mara Jade".

Is that one of the NPCs in the adventure books?

She was first introduced in the Thrawn books, a former Hand of the Emperor. Eventually marries Luke Skywalker. She's pretty big in the EU.

I read those books man. There were a lot of cool folks in there: Talon Karrde, Mitth'raw'nuruodo, Pellaeon, Garm Bel Iblis, the Solo kids. But you've got it all wrong about Luke. He marries Teneniel Djo, the Dathomir witch.

Teneniel Djo marries Prince Isolder of Hapes (though she initially pursued Luke as a possible mate). But no, Luke eventually marries Mara Jade. Check wookiepedia if you don't believe me.

I think they're referring to Mara Jade.

I've read a LOT of the EU and never heard of any "Mara Jade".

Is that one of the NPCs in the adventure books?

She was first introduced in the Thrawn books, a former Hand of the Emperor. Eventually marries Luke Skywalker. She's pretty big in the EU.

I read those books man. There were a lot of cool folks in there: Talon Karrde, Mitth'raw'nuruodo, Pellaeon, Garm Bel Iblis, the Solo kids. But you've got it all wrong about Luke. He marries Teneniel Djo, the Dathomir witch.

Teneniel Djo marries Prince Isolder of Hapes (though she initially pursued Luke as a possible mate). But no, Luke eventually marries Mara Jade. Check wookiepedia if you don't believe me.

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As for Jedi and the force. Here is my take. Most people who lived through the clone wars probably still blame the Jedi to some degree for the conflict. They might not buy the New Order line that the Jedi threatened to take over the government, but the Clone Wars were costly in both material and in a personal sense for many people. I would think if someone came across a person using the force they'd be concerned. If the person was old enough to have been in the Wars they probably would happily report them to the authorities. If the person was younger than that, they'd probably at least be concerned and shun them. I don't think anyone had forgotten the force, it was just better to ignore it, to pretend it didn't exist or that it was "evil". Let's look at terms used for Jedi or the force in A New Hope. Owen calls Obi Wan a "wizard" and General Motti mentions Vader's "sorcerer's ways". People remember they've just vilified the force and simplified anyone who uses it to be dealing with powers that are best left alone.

That's my take at least.

I can get behind this, the fact is that GL made a huge, dumb flub with the timeline. The Clone Wars needed to be recent enough in memory for Luke's dad and Obi-Wan to have been in them and for people to be aware of them, but old enough that the disappearance of the Jedi after them would seem like a long time ago. (Just like the failure to justify how Obi-Wan aged so much in 20 years, going from looking like a 30-something to a 70-something. But I guess being in th desert can do that to you, it's just always stuck out as incongruous to me).

I mean part of the mishandling is that the Clone Wars only lasted like 3 years, and the Jedi were pretty well-regarded before that. Imperial censorship and the "conspiracy proposition" that the Jedi were trying to overthrow the government aside, it's hard to believe people didn't remember them. It's been 100 years but we remember World War I participants better than Star Wars remembers the Jedi after < 20 years.

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I didn't get a read of sarcasm through your text at all, so.

That's because he didn't uise the sarcasm tags.