Am i right in thinking that if i take a tie phantom i can ,..........uncloak-2barrel roll, then reveal dial,then my actions so barrel roll and target lock(ptl)-then can roll for my shooting in the shooting phase(5 dice at range 1) and then if i miss and have gunner then can roll five more attack dice and spend my target lock? seems like a lot of stuff the phantom can do.

I don't see any problems with that scenario.

Yeah, the phantom is going to be lots of fun to play.

If you miss with five dice while holding a Focus something is very wrong.

The OP actually said TL not focus. But either way it seems like Gunner is a huge waste on the Phantom. With 4 dice, the odds of missing with either a Focus or TL is pretty low.

The OP actually said TL not focus. But either way it seems like Gunner is a huge waste on the Phantom. With 4 dice, the odds of missing with either a Focus or TL is pretty low.

Gunner does more than assure hits though. It allows you to mindgame your opponent, gain TL's with Fire Control system, and if you ever do miss with 4 dice it is devastating to your plans. That said, I do feel like it packs too many points onto a 4HP ship. we'll have to see how things go.

The OP actually said TL not focus. But either way it seems like Gunner is a huge waste on the Phantom. With 4 dice, the odds of missing with either a Focus or TL is pretty low.

Looking back I see you're right about that although TL or Focus it may not matter much.

I guess I'm wondering how this Phantom is kitted out. Looking back at the situation am I seeing "Barrel Roll" in there twice? Once when the ship "uncloaks" and then again when it uses PtL to roll and TL. THAT would be a mistake in the scenario. Maybe I haven't seen enough spoiler on the Cloaking mechanics.

That said, I do feel like it packs too many points onto a 4HP ship.

Yes the gunner is good upgrade, but like you say, it's too many points for that ship. If you focus the odds of you missing on all 4 dice is pretty low.

4 Attack dice vs 3 Defense with both having a focus, the odds are 70% that you'll land at least one hit. 5 points on a 4hp ship that's already 25+ points... Seems like there's a lot better options out there for those 5 points.

Maybe I haven't seen enough spoiler on the Cloaking mechanics.

Have you seen the cards? They were leaked someway or another.

Basically when you decloak you can make a barrel roll, but not a Barrel Roll Action, that's 2 long, or else you can take a 2 forward "boost".

The consensuses seems to be that since the card doesn't say Barrel Roll Action, you should be able to the 2 sideways movement from decloaking and a normal barrel roll.

Maybe I haven't seen enough spoiler on the Cloaking mechanics.

Have you seen the cards? They were leaked someway or another.

Basically when you decloak you can make a barrel roll, but not a Barrel Roll Action, that's 2 long, or else you can take a 2 forward "boost".

The consensuses seems to be that since the card doesn't say Barrel Roll Action, you should be able to the 2 sideways movement from decloaking and a normal barrel roll.

I don't go looking everywhere and some of things that show up on the forum here get buried quickly or blow up.

I'd just say "Oh, sh**" to such a movement when dropping a cloak. Obviously not you standard roll/boost.

Here's a link to a image of both cards.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xHowHmUxD2w/UzmYSuFFkzI/AAAAAAAAJU4/g6uGZrc8KQ0/s1600/unnamed.jpg

Here's a link to a image of both cards.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xHowHmUxD2w/UzmYSuFFkzI/AAAAAAAAJU4/g6uGZrc8KQ0/s1600/unnamed.jpg

Thanks for that link.

Interesting that the Decloak does say "perform a Barrel Roll" even if it does use a different template. While Decloaking may not be a "maneuver" or even an "action" it doesn't say what that movement will be. Actually, I guess it does say the 2straight maneuver. This will DEFINITELY be one of those things we should hope the FAQ/Rules explain in more detail.

This will DEFINITELY be one of those things we should hope the FAQ/Rules explain in more detail.

Someone came up with the idea that by using AdvSen + PtL you could do the following, assuming you started off cloaked. PtL isn't actually vital to this, just adds to it.

Decloak move 2 sideways.

Use AdvSens and preform a Barrel Roll Action to move 1 more sideways.

Use PtL and preform a cloak action.

Decloak and move 2 more sideways.

So you end up moving 7 bases sideways before you preform your maneuver. Myself and others don't think it will work that way, because you can only decloak once per revel of the dial... I don't really want to start that debate again. But it's another issue that needs to be addressed i the FAQ.

cant put advanced sensors on it can you?

Maybe I haven't seen enough spoiler on the Cloaking mechanics.

Have you seen the cards? They were leaked someway or another.Basically when you decloak you can make a barrel roll, but not a Barrel Roll Action, that's 2 long, or else you can take a 2 forward "boost".The consensuses seems to be that since the card doesn't say Barrel Roll Action, you should be able to the 2 sideways movement from decloaking and a normal barrel roll.

No consensus needed the card says after decloaking preform one of the following effects it doesn't say preform an action :-)

More to the point the card actually says its not an action or manoeuvre.

This will DEFINITELY be one of those things we should hope the FAQ/Rules explain in more detail.

Yeah and to make thing even more muddy...Someone came up with the idea that by using AdvSen + PtL you could do the following, assuming you started off cloaked. PtL isn't actually vital to this, just adds to it.Decloak move 2 sideways.Use AdvSens and preform a Barrel Roll Action to move 1 more sideways.Use PtL and preform a cloak action.Decloak and move 2 more sideways.So you end up moving 7 bases sideways before you preform your maneuver. Myself and others don't think it will work that way, because you can only decloak once per revel of the dial... I don't really want to start that debate again. But it's another issue that needs to be addressed i the FAQ.

Cloak is an action

De cloaking is just spending the cloak token before you reveal your dial.

The OP actually said TL not focus. But either way it seems like Gunner is a huge waste on the Phantom. With 4 dice, the odds of missing with either a Focus or TL is pretty low.

Gunner does more than assure hits though. It allows you to mindgame your opponent, gain TL's with Fire Control system, and if you ever do miss with 4 dice it is devastating to your plans. That said, I do feel like it packs too many points onto a 4HP ship. we'll have to see how things go.

A cloaked ship cant attack, so Gunner could be a huge waste.

cant put advanced sensors on it can you?

Sure can. Phantoms have two upgrade icons: System and crew.