Jake's text is:

After you perform focus action or are assigned a focus token, you may perform a free boost or barrel roll action.

Push the Limit text:

Once per round, after you perform an action, you may perform 1 free action shown in your action bar. Then receive 1 stress token.

So here is the question. Jake Farrell performs an action, lets say Target Lock just for the sake of the argument. He then uses PTL to perform a Focus action. Jakes ability triggers, but PTL is also giving stress. It seems to me that the Barrel Roll / Boost of Jakes ability will go off first, then you would finish by putting the stress on from PTL, but I see an argument for PTL causing stress that would prevent the free action.

Thoughts?

I'm thinking you should/will be able to get the boost/roll in before the Stress hits.

More interestingly, and I hadn't thought about it this way before, is that Jake can Focus, boost or roll, then PTL from the free boost or roll, and TL or Evade. In that order it won't matter if you can or cannot do the action before the stress hits.

Wow. Some very interesting timing here.

There are several ways all this could trigger, especially depending on what triggers what. For simplicity, we'll assume the base action is always a Target Lock and acknowledge the double limits. JakeBBR is Jake's Boost or Barrel Roll.

TL, PtL for Focus, JakeBBR: Works. Jake's text triggers in the middle of the PtL resolution, and you process that response before finishing PtL for stress.

Focus, JakeBBR, PtL: Works. Everything's done before the stress hits.

Focus, PtL, JakeBBR: Doesn't work. PtL has the same timing as JakeBBR, so you could choose the resolution order. But if you try and resolve the PtL first, it would resolve fully before going back to Jake's action, and you'd be stressed for the BBR.

I honestly can't think of any situations where the last would be the only way to do what you want to do, but there may be some out there.

Wow. Some very interesting timing here.

There are several ways all this could trigger, especially depending on what triggers what. For simplicity, we'll assume the base action is always a Target Lock and acknowledge the double limits. JakeBBR is Jake's Boost or Barrel Roll.

TL, PtL for Focus, JakeBBR: Works. Jake's text triggers in the middle of the PtL resolution, and you process that response before finishing PtL for stress.

Focus, JakeBBR, PtL: Works. Everything's done before the stress hits.

Focus, PtL, JakeBBR: Doesn't work. PtL has the same timing as JakeBBR, so you could choose the resolution order. But if you try and resolve the PtL first, it would resolve fully before going back to Jake's action, and you'd be stressed for the BBR.

I honestly can't think of any situations where the last would be the only way to do what you want to do, but there may be some out there.

I can't think of any reason to do the 3rd one either... some things that typically affect timing are:

1) PTL only does actions on your action bar. So in order to flip crits or R2F2 or something like that, it must be your base action. This would make focus be the PTL action though.

2) TL has a range requirement. It's possible to want to do this before/after boost/br. However, one can TL, PTL-focus, BBR ooorr focus BBR PTL-TL

3) you want want to do both BR+B in the same turn. One wants to come from Jake... You can F, BBR, PTL-BR/B... order doesn't matter regarding where which comes from

WAIT!!! IT does!

So Jake is in an A wing. As such, the only way he can BR is via his skill or EH. If he wants to boost first and then BR, he has to use his skill to do... ah crap, there's no reason he can't Boost, PTL-F, BBR. Blargh, I thought I found one there. And if he wants to BR first, he can F, BBR, PTL-Boost.

4) Carnor Jax is in play... You want to focus before you boost into R1 of him... But there's no reason you don't evade, focus BBR. Blargh... Sorry, can't think of a single example of why you would intentionally screw yourself out of BBR. Also, I believe you can activate PTL off of BBR anyways.

When it comes to Jake I can see a couple cases where you'd want to take an action before rolling/boosting using his ability:

1. You need to TL before rolling/boosting out of range.

2. You need to Boost out of range of Jax before taking your Focus.

Not many reasons you couldn't take your Focus action first then get the Roll/Boost before taking the PtL action.

Garven or Kyle. They're ps6 - it's entirely possible that you might decide to have one of them pass Jake a focus token for defense after his activation, which would then give him a chance to boost or barrel roll - unless he had taken a stress during his activation. No?

Garven or Kyle could pass Jake a focus letting him roll/boost if he doesn't have stress. Considering the timing on these it makes Jake's use very interesting.

Lando or Cracken could give Jake a free action to Focus unless he had already done so.

This came up, interestingly, because Jake had "A Wing Test Pilot". His EPTs were Squad Leader and Push the Limit. We played it that the stress went on last, but it was pretty interesting.

This also limited Jake pretty severely in that he couldn't boost or barrel roll into Range 1 in order to use Squad Leader, since the action given by PTL has to be on the bar. Of course, that limitation isn't restricted to Jake, but it made him trickier to use than any other 3 action Squad Leader I can thing of. :-)

The very last part of PTL is gaining stress.
If you go Target-Lock + Focus and a boost off of gaining a focus token, it goes like this, nesting-doll style.

Target Lock

Push the Limit

Focus

Farrel's Pilot Ability (Boost/Barrel-Roll)

Stress

This is one of those weird wording issues, where a bit of consistency would go a long way.

Jake's ability happens "after" you take a focus action or are assigned a focus token.

PTL says 'once per round, after an action, blah blah blah free action,' "Then, receive a stress token."

There's enough confusion between 'after' and 'immediately' after, and whether immediate is always immediate or not, but when exactly does "Then, comma" fall in relation to "after?"

What would happen, if we threw Kyle Katarn into the mix?

Jake moves and takes a target lock.

Kyle moves and takes a focus.

At the beginning of the combat phase Kyle assigns his focus token to Jake ->

-> Jake's ability triggers and he barrell rolls

-> PtL triggers and he focuses -> Jake's ability triggers yet again and Jake boosts

Then the stress token is applied.

Jake would have boosted, barrel-rolled, focused, target locked and stressed himself in one turn and would have Kyle's focus on top of that.

Does this sound correct to you?

What would happen, if we threw Kyle Katarn into the mix?

Jake moves and takes a target lock.

Kyle moves and takes a focus.

At the beginning of the combat phase Kyle assigns his focus token to Jake ->

-> Jake's ability triggers and he barrell rolls

-> PtL triggers and he focuses -> Jake's ability triggers yet again and Jake boosts

Then the stress token is applied.

Jake would have boosted, barrel-rolled, focused, target locked and stressed himself in one turn and would have Kyle's focus on top of that.

Does this sound correct to you?

Sounds completely reasonable to me.

1) During normal phase Jake takes a TL (1 action).

2) At the start of combat, Kyle passes a Focus (2nd token, no action).

3) Jake gets a free Boost/BR action when he receives a focus (2 action).

4) Jake triggers PTL off of the Boost/BR action in step 3 and takes a focus (3 action, 3rd token)

5) Jake's ability triggers again and he does the other Boost/BR not performed in step 3 (4 action)

6) Jake receives stress from PTL

End result: 2 focus tokens, a TL, Boost, BR during the start of combat.

I am not sure about that, did you have any problems with that scheme? It seems legit, as per the wording of the cards, though. I had the same idea, and I was browsing for info.

What would happen, if we threw Kyle Katarn into the mix?

Jake moves and takes a target lock.

Kyle moves and takes a focus.

At the beginning of the combat phase Kyle assigns his focus token to Jake ->

-> Jake's ability triggers and he barrell rolls

-> PtL triggers and he focuses -> Jake's ability triggers yet again and Jake boosts

Then the stress token is applied.

Jake would have boosted, barrel-rolled, focused, target locked and stressed himself in one turn and would have Kyle's focus on top of that.

Does this sound correct to you?

Sounds completely reasonable to me.

1) During normal phase Jake takes a TL (1 action).

2) At the start of combat, Kyle passes a Focus (2nd token, no action).

3) Jake gets a free Boost/BR action when he receives a focus (2 action).

4) Jake triggers PTL off of the Boost/BR action in step 3 and takes a focus (3 action, 3rd token)

5) Jake's ability triggers again and he does the other Boost/BR not performed in step 3 (4 action)

6) Jake receives stress from PTL

End result: 2 focus tokens, a TL, Boost, BR during the start of combat.

I am not sure about that, did you have any problems with that scheme? It seems legit, as per the wording of the cards, though. I had the same idea, and I was browsing for info.

What would happen, if we threw Kyle Katarn into the mix?

Jake moves and takes a target lock.

Kyle moves and takes a focus.

At the beginning of the combat phase Kyle assigns his focus token to Jake ->

-> Jake's ability triggers and he barrell rolls

-> PtL triggers and he focuses -> Jake's ability triggers yet again and Jake boosts

Then the stress token is applied.

Jake would have boosted, barrel-rolled, focused, target locked and stressed himself in one turn and would have Kyle's focus on top of that.

Does this sound correct to you?

Sounds completely reasonable to me.

1) During normal phase Jake takes a TL (1 action).

2) At the start of combat, Kyle passes a Focus (2nd token, no action).

3) Jake gets a free Boost/BR action when he receives a focus (2 action).

4) Jake triggers PTL off of the Boost/BR action in step 3 and takes a focus (3 action, 3rd token)

5) Jake's ability triggers again and he does the other Boost/BR not performed in step 3 (4 action)

6) Jake receives stress from PTL

End result: 2 focus tokens, a TL, Boost, BR during the start of combat.

It´s perfectly legal

holy necrotic thread, Batman!

holy necrotic thread, Batman!

It's still a question people will ask. Maybe FF couild sticky threads like this?

If this qualified for a sticky thread, we'd end up with multiple pages of sticky threads.

Besides, they already have stickied it. It's just stickied in the FAQ, rather than in the forums.