How exactly does cards like Luke Skywalker or Gunner trigger?

By Zogwort, in X-Wing Rules Questions

Hello all I am pretty new to X-Wing and I am not 100% sure what counts as a miss in respects to to triggering the Luke Skywalker or Gunner crew cards.

For example, if I roll 3 attack die and I score 1 blank and 2 hits, does the 1 blank die trigger the crew card?

Or I roll 3 attack die, score 2 hits, but the defender rolls 2 evade, does the crew card now trigger?

Or do I have to roll 3 attack die, and have all 3 of them be blank or a combination of blank/focus when I am not focusing?

Thanks in advance to those who clear this up for me! :)

They trigger when your attack does not hit.

An attack is considered not to have hit if there were no uncanceled attack dice left to deal damage to shields/hull after the defender cancels stuff out.

So if you didn't blow off a shield or deal them a damage card, attack again!



As for your examples:

For example, if I roll 3 attack die and I score 1 blank and 2 hits, does the 1 blank die trigger the crew card?

No, but that would be fun on a ship with very weak primary weapons :)

Or I roll 3 attack die, score 2 hits, but the defender rolls 2 evade, does the crew card now trigger?

Bingo. This one triggers.

Or do I have to roll 3 attack die, and have all 3 of them be blank or a combination of blank/focus when I am not focusing?

This one would be extremely underpowered for their point costs, but its one that most beginners assume is meant by "not hit". Stormtrooper accuracy isn't required to activate a Gunner, though.

Hey, thanks DraconPyrothayan, for clearing that up! :D

Just to elaborate, the 2 different types of explosion symbols on the attack dice are not actually named (hit) and (crit), those are just conveniences because it is annoying to write out (or even say repeatedly) "unfilled explosion symbol". Whenever a card in the game talks about an attack hitting it means a very specific definition from the rule book which I can't provide a page number for right now because my rule book is aaaallll the way over there on the other side of the room ;) but basically it is what DP said above, an attack hits if some of the explosion symbols on its attack dice are uncancelled, causing damage. There are a couple of exceptions to that but that is the basic rule.

I think it's page 12 off the top of my head, but let me load the pdf and check...

Yep, pg 12:

If there is at least one uncanceled [hit] or [crit] result
remaining, the defender is considered hit (see page
13). If all [hit] and [crit] result are canceled, the attack
misses and the defender does not suffer any damage.

Just to elaborate, the 2 different types of explosion symbols on the attack dice are not actually named (hit) and (crit)

I so wish that FFG would put a smiley on the boards for those symbols, as well as the [eye]

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The last few times I've been playing, I've felt like I was throwing a bazillion dice out, so I'm gonna throw out a few more scenarios. If they are INCORRECT, someone feel free to correct them.

Bounty Hunter rolls 4 dice at range 1 with a primary attack.
2 blanks, a focus, and a hit.

Rookie pilot rolls 2 evades.

BH gets to attack again because his attack neither hit either shield or hull.

BH rolls 3 dice with an Ion cannon.

2 blanks, and a hit.

Rookie pilot rolls blank, 1 evade.

BH gets to attack with his primary weapon, because the Ion never hit either shield or hull.

Kath Scarlet rolls 3 dice with a primary attack

2 blanks, 1 crit.

Rookie Pilot rolls 1 blank, 1 evade. Rookie is now stressed. (because critical did not hit either shield or hull.)

Kath now gets to attack with her primary weapon again.

Kath Scarlet rolls 3 dice with a primary attack

1 blank, 1 hit, 1 crit.

Rookie Pilot rolls 1 evade, 1 eyeball. (Rookie chooses to NOT use focus token. )

Kath Scarlet does NOT get to re-attack because one hit (the critical) got through. Since the critical was not canceled by dice, the Rookie pilot does NOT get any stress. Rookie choosing to not use the focus token saved him from a stress token, and possibly a more devastating attack.

Kath Scarlet rolls 3 dice with Ion Cannon against Rookie #1

2 blanks, 1 crit.

Rookie pilot rolls 1 evade. Rookie #1 is now stressed, because Rookie #1 canceled the critical, NOT the Ion Cannon.

Kath Scarlet's gunner allows her 1 new primary attack, as she neither hit either shield or hull.

Kath scarlet rolls 3 dice with primary attack against Rookie #2

1 hit, 2 crits

Rookie pilot #2 rolls 2 evade. Since he canceled 1 critical, he is now stressed. He also is hit for 1 critical.

Bounty Hunter rolls 3 dice with primary attack against Rookie #1. BH has a target lock on Rookie pilot, and also has a focus token. Howlrunner is in range 1 of BH.

3 blanks.

BH uses his target lock, and re-rolls all 3 dice.

2 blanks, 1 hit.

Howlrunner allows BH to re-roll 1 die

1 hit. (for a total of 2 hits)

Rookie Pilot rolls 2 evade.

BH's gunner allows BH to attack with primary weapon again.

1 blank, 2 hits.

Howlrunner allows BH to re-roll 1 die.

1 eyeball. BH uses focus, resulting in total of 3 hits.

Rookie Pilot gets back from bathroom break because of all dice mods, and rolls all blanks.

The last two are the ones that I am kinda iffy on, primarily switching targets because gunner does not state "immediately perform a primary weapon attack on this target" or something like that, and how well gunner works with Target locks and Howlrunner.

You can switch targets, but each die can only be rerolled once. So you couldn't TL all three, then reroll one again from Howlrunner.

Exactly what I was going to say. They are all correct except the stuff with Howlrunner re-rolling a given die a second time.

Again though, I want to clarify some language.

" BH gets to attack again because his attack neither hit either shield or hull. :"

BH gets to attack again because his attack had all of its explosion symbols canceled, resulting in the attack not hitting" would be a more precise way of putting it. An attack doesn't hit shield or hit hull, it just either hits or doesn't.

The last few times I've been playing, I've felt like I was throwing a bazillion dice out, so I'm gonna throw out a few more scenarios. If they are INCORRECT, someone feel free to correct them.

Bounty Hunter rolls 3 dice with primary attack against Rookie #1. BH has a target lock on Rookie pilot, and also has a focus token. Howlrunner is in range 1 of BH.

3 blanks.

BH uses his target lock, and re-rolls all 3 dice.

2 blanks, 1 hit.

Howlrunner allows BH to re-roll 1 die

1 hit. (for a total of 2 hits)

Rookie Pilot rolls 2 evade.

BH's gunner allows BH to attack with primary weapon again.

1 blank, 2 hits.

Howlrunner allows BH to re-roll 1 die.

1 eyeball. BH uses focus, resulting in total of 3 hits.

Rookie Pilot gets back from bathroom break because of all dice mods, and rolls all blanks.

The last two are the ones that I am kinda iffy on, primarily switching targets because gunner does not state "immediately perform a primary weapon attack on this target" or something like that, and how well gunner works with Target locks and Howlrunner.

You can't use Howlrunner's ability in this scenario because you already re-rolled with Target Lock. Dice can not be re-rolled more than once per attack. If you play out the scenario (minus Howlrunner's ability), it is correct.

Edited by Deltmi

Slightly different question, same topic line: on both the gunner and Luke crew cards, it says you do not get to attack again this round. Does the "you" on the cards refer to you the player (shoot once with Han, try again with Luke, no more attacks for your other ships) or does it mean you the pilot/crew of that particular ship (Han misses, Luke shoots, all othe lower PS ships can shoot)?

Slightly different question, same topic line: on both the gunner and Luke crew cards, it says you do not get to attack again this round. Does the "you" on the cards refer to you the player (shoot once with Han, try again with Luke, no more attacks for your other ships) or does it mean you the pilot/crew of that particular ship (Han misses, Luke shoots, all othe lower PS ships can shoot)?

"You" ALWAYS refers to the ship that has taken the upgrade.

Otherwise, picture a world in which a cheap crew-slot flies alongside a Tie Swarm.

If my first attack, I roll 3 blanks and do not have a focus or TL...does that mean the attack does not miss, because the defender does not even have to roll defense dice...thus gunner would not trigger?

If my first attack, I roll 3 blanks and do not have a focus or TL...does that mean the attack does not miss, because the defender does not even have to roll defense dice...thus gunner would not trigger?

...Your attack resulted in no damage suffered. It did not hit. Gunner/Luke triggers.

The defender actually does have to roll defense dice still, though that's generally ignored because it doesn't actually matter.