I gotta ask, what does this tie do that is worth 8 more points than howlrunner?

He can jump to any position on the board and join a range one attack? Sounds broken to me.

I am being insulting? Lol.

The fact that your intentions are not out of good humor but meant as an attack for some blind offense you took, is why your comments are so insulting.

I am being insulting? Lol.

The fact that your intentions are not out of good humor but meant as an attack for some blind offense you took, is why your comments are so insulting.

The offense I took was not blind, but well reasoned and stated in post #24.

I believe you took offense to post #9 where I suggested American President cards based on some of their war crimes.

That was not meant to be insulting. What I think can be lampooned, or is satirical and what you think are obviously different.

If I offended you, I apologize.

"Don't be too proud of this political gamble you've created. The ability to annex a peninsula is insignificant compared to the power of the Force..."

R2-EQ, I am an Eastern Orthodox Christian, and very familiar with Russian history from a non-Western point of view. I also have first hand knowledge of what went on in Yugoslavia (at the time, it had yet to be officially dissolved). I would reserve my opinion of those for an actual political board, not this one.

I am basing my "NATO power" on lampooning NATO as being way too expensive, loaded with a bunch of high-tech but completely useless wonders, and completely incapable of coming to a decision on its own. Just like the OP could (and IMO should, unless you are hopelessly inclined towards being offended) be taken as lampooning Russia and Putin.

It's satire, no more. Take it as such. It was a darkly humorous piece, and should be given no more thought than that.

Ok I get what you're saying.

The thing is i disagree that it is good satire. To me the card is based in western propaganda. The cards premise is actually not accurate.

The thing is there is so much you could do with a Putin card. I would have a Vader self damage type card as Putin is accused (with good circumstantial evidence) of having the FSB blow up Moscow buildings and blame the Chechens. That helped him get elected.

Or you could have a Putin card that penalizes an opponent for talking as Putin helped instigate state control on all television outlets. He is also thought to have amassed a large personal fortune.

The OP card is implying Putin annexed Crimea. It is parroting the western media propaganda machine. In truth the Crimea has always had closer ties to northern Russia. It was never part of Kievan Rus and only settled during the Empire. It has been part of Russia proper for over 200 years until 1954 when Khrushchev made it a part of the Ukraine SSR for administration.

The people of Crimea, mostly Russian speaking voted to leave Ukraine. They are scared because the US has backed Neo Nazi Western Ukrainian radicals who are aggressively anti-Russian and staged a coup. Those are the facts.

That is why I got involved in this post. If it was a funny piece of accurate satire, I'd be all for it.

The Crimean people allegedly voted to leave the Ukraine. This is absolutely correct. However, Russia invaded a sovereign nation whose government did not recognize their presence as anything other than a hostile move.

No where in the world are you able to move troops into another nation without their government's permission and have it be anything other than an act of war.

I have no problem with Crimea joining Russia. I do have a problem with the fact that Russia invaded a sovereign nation and people like you pretend it's okay.

As for satire, it was right on the money.

I guess I'm not so much offended at the poke at Putin (I truly believe he's a terrible person and I don't like him at all) more at the overall ugliness of the situation. I like Star Wars because it really does divide things into a fictionalized black and white perspective of clear good and evil, unlike the much more complex and very real state of global geopolitical power struggles and conflicts. I'm not terribly happy with people suffering or getting hurt in something that is so current, so I don't take it as terribly funny, but I have no beef with anyone enjoying a dark joke.

>The Crimean people allegedly voted to leave the Ukraine.


Not allegedly, they voted because of reasons I stated above. In America and the west the Crimean vote is questioned because it doesn't follow what they want to achieve. However, in America they support Western Ukrainian Fascist radicals and recognize a government that overthrew a legally elected one. But that's okay, right?


> However, Russia invaded a sovereign nation whose government did not recognize their
presence as anything other than a hostile move.


Lol, Russia invaded? What? I'm sorry to say that you have been watching too much CNN.

Russia had a treaty which allowed them to have troops in the Crimea. Russia never "invaded" anyone. They were within their treaty rights.

Here are the FACTS

1) A Russian naval presence in Crimea dates to 1783 when the port city of Sevastopol was
founded by Russian Prince Grigory Potemkin. Crimea was part of Russia until Nikita
Khruschev gave it to Ukraine in 1954.

2) In 1997, amid the wreckage of the USSR, Russia & Ukraine signed a Partition Treaty
determining the fate of the military bases and vessels in Crimea. The deal sparked
widespread officer ‘defections’ to Russia and was ratified by the Russian & Ukrainian
parliaments in 1999. Russia received 81.7 percent of the fleet’s ships after paying the
Ukrainian government $526.5 million.

3) The deal allowed the Russian Black Sea Fleet to stay in Crimea until 2017. This was
extended by another 25 years to 2042 with a 5-year extension option in 2010.

4) Moscow annually wrote off $97.75 million of Kiev’s debt for the right to use Ukrainian
waters and radio frequencies, and to compensate for the Black Sea Fleet’s environmental
impact.

5) The Russian navy was allowed up to

- 25,000 troops,

- 24 artillery systems with a caliber smaller than 100 mm,

- 132 armored vehicles, and

- 22 military planes, on Crimean territory.


6) Five Russian naval units are stationed in the port city of Sevastopol, in compliance
with the treaty.

7) Russia has two airbases in Crimea, in Kacha and Gvardeysky.



> I do have a problem with the fact that Russia invaded a sovereign nation and people like
you pretend it's okay.


I have a problem with people like you getting righteous about facts you don't have correct
and a complex history you don't understand. Are you okay with American funded NGOs helping
overthrow a legally elected government (although horribly corrupt) in Ukraine? Are you ok
with the fact that there is a large block or neo nazi facists among them that are anti-
Semitic and Russobphobic which America is embracing?



>As for satire, it was right on the money.


As for satire, the cards premise is based in fiction, and therefore not funny. There are
better ways to make fun of Putin, as I have stated above.

However, if your opinions of Crimea are formed by the American Propaganda Machine, then ya
that card makes perfect sense and is great!


The dialogue in Crimea should be about American aggression against a legally elected
Ukrainian government, about America having a cold war attitude towards Russia even after
the collapse of the USSR.

Somebody get the popcorn...

This card was made in our Russian community for fools’ day. This is just a joke. I was trying to ridicule modern stereotypes about Russia. I don’t want to offend somebody and I’m sorry if I did that. Please stop arguing; just ignore this post if you aren’t like it.

Ghost vader is a mongol.

Russian gear pwns the west. Their planes have thrust vectoring on the pitch and yaw and are badass.

Thieir missiles are from the future (google sunburn and onyx).

They are technically superior to the US, who cant even get their Raptors to operate without asphyxiating the pilots.

To portay them as poor idiots is ludicrous.

Google russian energy industry.

Crimea voted to join Russia.

97 freaking percent voted yes.

Russia are acting to protect themselves and the many Russians in Ukraine.

The US has been trying to surround them for decades.

There is no reason for them to put up with the ignorance of western news audiences anymore They are more powerful than the west and have the rule of law on their side.

pffttthahahaha

This is great!

I prefer the crew card "Envoy to the UN Security Council"

Upon the destruction of a friendly ship you may invoke a mandatory 5min discussion on the lawfulness of this conflict. At the end of the discussion both sides may veto against any agreement you may have reached.

PS: you may expect an errata ruling like this:

If both sides agree to end all hostilities and decide it has been all a big misunderstanding, both sides lose - we can't have a working diplomatic body in a war situation, that would be outrageous.

Somebody get the popcorn...

I love you guys!

( in a Christian "love your neighbour" sort of way )

While everyone else get's into heated debate, we just sit back and watch but......

.....I don't have any popcorn

Got pizza though!

>The Crimean people allegedly voted to leave the Ukraine.

Not allegedly, they voted because of reasons I stated above. In America and the west the Crimean vote is questioned because it doesn't follow what they want to achieve. However, in America they support Western Ukrainian Fascist radicals and recognize a government that overthrew a legally elected one. But that's okay, right?

> However, Russia invaded a sovereign nation whose government did not recognize their

presence as anything other than a hostile move.

Lol, Russia invaded? What? I'm sorry to say that you have been watching too much CNN.

The reason people question the vote is obvious - it happened too quickly and during military occupation. That is it. A vote cast while someone has a gun to the voter's head is not a vote at all (because you are so intent on attacking posts like this is some kind of super-directional political blog where fast-talking, illogical, tangential targetting of individual pieces of the comments made by the people telling you that you are being crazy, I do not necessarily mean that literally).

A non-domestic military force entering a country without permission is an invasion. What else would it be called? Although they denied it at first, Russia is now only hiding the level of their force as opposed to also denying its presence, which was in place well before any voting that took place.

You are so bent on proving that people and their thoughts are driven by base ideas like jingoism and ignorance of history that you are not actually thinking. The average citizen doesn't care that Russia annexed that region - they care that it happened overnight and during a military occupation. Your attempts to rise above criticism by waving your history 'knowledge' is misplaced - history is irrelevant when a modern country invades another. It is wrong. It is a threat to soverignty and world peace. Any country, including the USA, who invades another country for the purpose of capturing land, resources, and power should be attacked by the media, other governments, and, most importantly, by the average person.

This all started on a clever joke, so the napalm that you fired back out of either boredom or rage is misplaced and should have been reported so that it could have been casually dicarded with the other thoughtless nonsence. But, here we are, so why not waste our time?

>The Crimean people allegedly voted to leave the Ukraine.

Not allegedly, they voted because of reasons I stated above. In America and the west the Crimean vote is questioned because it doesn't follow what they want to achieve. However, in America they support Western Ukrainian Fascist radicals and recognize a government that overthrew a legally elected one. But that's okay, right?

> However, Russia invaded a sovereign nation whose government did not recognize their

presence as anything other than a hostile move.

Lol, Russia invaded? What? I'm sorry to say that you have been watching too much CNN.

Russia had a treaty which allowed them to have troops in the Crimea. Russia never "invaded" anyone. They were within their treaty rights.

Here are the FACTS

1) A Russian naval presence in Crimea dates to 1783 when the port city of Sevastopol was

founded by Russian Prince Grigory Potemkin. Crimea was part of Russia until Nikita

Khruschev gave it to Ukraine in 1954.

2) In 1997, amid the wreckage of the USSR, Russia & Ukraine signed a Partition Treaty

determining the fate of the military bases and vessels in Crimea. The deal sparked

widespread officer ‘defections’ to Russia and was ratified by the Russian & Ukrainian

parliaments in 1999. Russia received 81.7 percent of the fleet’s ships after paying the

Ukrainian government $526.5 million.

3) The deal allowed the Russian Black Sea Fleet to stay in Crimea until 2017. This was

extended by another 25 years to 2042 with a 5-year extension option in 2010.

4) Moscow annually wrote off $97.75 million of Kiev’s debt for the right to use Ukrainian

waters and radio frequencies, and to compensate for the Black Sea Fleet’s environmental

impact.

5) The Russian navy was allowed up to

- 25,000 troops,

- 24 artillery systems with a caliber smaller than 100 mm,

- 132 armored vehicles, and

- 22 military planes, on Crimean territory.

6) Five Russian naval units are stationed in the port city of Sevastopol, in compliance

with the treaty.

7) Russia has two airbases in Crimea, in Kacha and Gvardeysky.

> I do have a problem with the fact that Russia invaded a sovereign nation and people like

you pretend it's okay.

I have a problem with people like you getting righteous about facts you don't have correct

and a complex history you don't understand. Are you okay with American funded NGOs helping

overthrow a legally elected government (although horribly corrupt) in Ukraine? Are you ok

with the fact that there is a large block or neo nazi facists among them that are anti-

Semitic and Russobphobic which America is embracing?

>As for satire, it was right on the money.

As for satire, the cards premise is based in fiction, and therefore not funny. There are

better ways to make fun of Putin, as I have stated above.

However, if your opinions of Crimea are formed by the American Propaganda Machine, then ya

that card makes perfect sense and is great!

The dialogue in Crimea should be about American aggression against a legally elected

Ukrainian government, about America having a cold war attitude towards Russia even after

the collapse of the USSR.

I didn't realize Putin had his own account on FFG.

Just a quick question for our "Putin lovin" comrade, seen as the people in Crimea were "given" a chance to vote to join Russia, will those who don't fancy been part of Russia be also given a vote to see if they fancy leaving it ?

That would be the logical and fair thing to do don't you think ?

Funny how R2EQ falls for Putin calling the new government in Ukraine Nazis when Putin has done the exact same thing as Hitler did with the Sudetenland in 1938.

As we slam someone for lashing out in a thoughtless and unreasonable way, lets try to keep the high groud. Even entertaining his comparisons to Hitler or Nazis is the path to the Dark Side.

And now for an intermission......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqAUiUDyFlY

Now back to heated debate on international politics in a X-Wing miniature game forum....

.... sheeeesh!

Themongooserus, who I believe is in Russia, has already clearly stated that the post was a simple joke and not meant as anything more than an April Fools joke. All the aggression and personal attacks are wholly uncalled for. They are shocking and disappointing to read.

As said by Themongooserus:

This card was made in our Russian community for fools’ day. This is just a joke. I was trying to ridicule modern stereotypes about Russia. I don’t want to offend somebody and I’m sorry if I did that. Please stop arguing; just ignore this post if you aren’t like it.