Title says it all.

Thoughts?

I would say July, since Q3 is more summer, I would say no, even if i'm really sad

Hope to be sooner, but I'm dreaming

I'm not guessing I'm quoting FFGs CEO at the recent convention........

what are you talking about ?

By spring 2015. It is spring? was the quote "by the end of spring"? if the quote was by spring well then, he was wrong.

I would guess September-October, with an early release at GenCon. Much like Trollfens.

hope not, I want 3 boxes a year, and maybe anoyher small box for gencon ?

yeah its should be here little bit faster, if some of the rumors are true. but i am looking forward to the fogotten souls POD a ttle bit more.

(and he said late spring, whatever that means.)

I'm always as excited about expansion, for each one. but Manor looks like having real interesting new stuff, more than old expansions, but the idea to play alone at descent could be fun, at least for testing classes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=aPaUBM2PuEQ#t=182

please watch this info is included

He indeed says "middle spring", "not so far from now" and also "can't be really sure", so don't know what to think about.

If it could be on Q2 rather than Q3, I would really happy, but I never experienced stuff comming before date announced on the site, alas.

In the Upcoming games, it clearly says Q3 2014. Maybe he drew a blank and said spring instead of Fall by accident?

After Shadows, I think it'll be a while before I buy anything new for Descent. I'm really unimpressed... it's almost as if pumping out so many expansions has an impact on the quality...

I'll probably next spend money on Descent around Christmastime. If Manor is the "new expansion" at that point I'll probably buy it. If I find out there are three more expansions at that point I'll probably just put Descent away.

How has the quality suffered?

Mine is in the post still so please share? Items/quest/Characters?

In the Upcoming games, it clearly says Q3 2014. Maybe he drew a blank and said spring instead of Fall by accident?

That would be more likely IMO based on current releases and the expansion has a definite horror feel to it so would be good time for Halloween.

After Shadows, I think it'll be a while before I buy anything new for Descent. I'm really unimpressed... it's almost as if pumping out so many expansions has an impact on the quality...

I'll probably next spend money on Descent around Christmastime. If Manor is the "new expansion" at that point I'll probably buy it. If I find out there are three more expansions at that point I'll probably just put Descent away.

I'm stopping with Shadows as well. I have 5 boxes full of Good Times now and that seems to be more than plenty. I do like the theme for Manor but I also have a list of other games that need my money

I just find it interesting that FFG has opted to make Louis C.K. a playable hero in this expansion. Looking forward to hunting monsters and making humorous observations about day to day life in Terrinoth.

Lilikin -

I have two beefs with Shadows. The first is that nothing in the set excited me - and I'll happily admit that this is purely personal, your mileage may vary. But everything in the box seemed very "more of the same". I like the warrior class, the bard is interesting, but the two others seem boring. Not bad, just boring, which is worse, in a way. SoN adds a few minor twists to existing mechanics - Influence puts some hidden knowledge back in the game, Corrupted Citizens are an interesting way to upgrade a monster and again change around the dynamics, but... eh? I'm just not excited to play it. None of the items pop out at me, even the relics seem like a big "who cares". I do like the new Mage character though.

The second is that, in my fairly brief perusing, I noticed several fairly significant errors in the cards. There's several threads about the Overlord card that misses the word "after". A bunch of cards tell you to "use" this card, and I'm pretty sure (could be wrong) that's new. I'm VERY sure it's unclear. Cards that exhaust say exhaust. Cards that don't, just tell you what to do - Iron Will, for instance, just says "Do X", not "use this card to do X." (Hey, just found an example, actually - Ghost Armor tells you to "use this card." So it's pointless verbiage that's been around a while. Still pointless though, and I've never noticed it standing out as problematic before this.)

The pieces, as always, are decently high quality, I think the new minis are cool, but I don't buy games for the minis, I buy games for the content. Maybe the encounters will really, really impress me when I get around to playing them, but considering how many of them have "get 25 gold per hero" as the hero reward, I'm not thinking any more creativity went into them. All in all, a disappointment, and you can't tell me rushing to get 5-10 things out the door every quarter isn't part of that. Well, you can, but I wouldn't believe you.

The pieces, as always, are decently high quality, I think the new minis are cool, but I don't buy games for the minis, I buy games for the content. Maybe the encounters will really, really impress me when I get around to playing them, but considering how many of them have "get 25 gold per hero" as the hero reward, I'm not thinking any more creativity went into them. All in all, a disappointment, and you can't tell me rushing to get 5-10 things out the door every quarter isn't part of that. Well, you can, but I wouldn't believe you.

That pretty well sums up my current feelings regarding Descent.

I'm still excited about Shadows of Nerekhall for the fluff, but that's just my personal interest in the larger setting of Terrinoth. I probably will pick it up soonish, but I'm starting to wonder if I'll ever bother going back for Labyrinth of Ruin.

I'm only planning to get 3-5 of the LTs (someday) and I've already written off the rehash packs since I own 1E anyway. The Forgotten Souls co-op POD looks interesting enough that I'll probably get it, too, but all in all they're just cranking out too much stuff too quickly for me to keep up with all of it.

Going forward, I think I'll have to pick which parts of the game I buy more carefully. I used to be a "buy it all on principle" type of guy, but I've already stopped buying basically all other FFG games to cut down on the number of expansions I'd feel compelled to buy, and now I can't even keep up with the one title I allowed myself to stick with. I suppose I can thank FFG for curing me of my completist impulses.

I sincerely hope Manor of Ravens doesn't hit before this fall. If they actually do get up to 3 boxes per year, I think I'll have to walk away entirely, if only for my own sanity.

Some good points amoshias and Steve-O and ones I can't argue with (As I don't have the game) so let me see if I understand this:

1. Verbage issues as you called them some cards are unclear how they are used etc and will need some serious FAQing (Which I personally hate needing another 'rulebook out' it slows the game down to no end and destroys accessabillity) this is a serious issue and one FFG really need to address. Totally unacceptable for an add on at £43 or ~ $71 that's a lot of money for basic card issues.
2. The second set of issues I think I can describe as pace? You think more mechanics are needed to make the game more interesting and although they have added some mechanics they aren't adding them fast enough? I can see your problem here, I refused to play the game until LoR came out personally as I felt the starting quests weren't great. I suppose they want to release several more add ons than D1E so are slowing the pace down a lot. I suppose as I had said on another post if you are someone who plays a lot and you want more quests slow pace isn't a bad thing. To this I would take Steve-Os advice and buy selectively, if the pace is to slow buy every few packs if people say it's a good one and has mechanics you like.
3. The mission rewards issues I would put back into Pace IMO they probably do have more ideas but don't want to blow them all on one expansion. (this isn't a defence of FFG just a theory and not necessarily a Positive/Negative one)

I must admit I have been very vocal a defender of the fast releases and I know others have been, and thought you were having a generic forum moan and hadn't actually bought the game. I can see I am wrong now thank you for a great answer.

I think point 1 is unforgivable and honestly would expect reprints but know I probably wont get them.

2-3 is game preference and like Stevo-O says look before you leap if you play it more than once a month you may want more quests and thus spend the money. D2E they are definitely going for the slow burner and the question will be are they burning it so slow it stops.

I own everything D2E (in the post, in my house or on preorder including the rehash as I sold my D1E after playing a few games and hating it.) release x1 and two sets of extra dice including all lieutenants and I am starting to wonder if I should have waited for the reprint of SoN

Thanks for the review again

Lilikin

I can't understand your points

I will buy all descent stuff because :

1- I will have the biggest game ever

2- I do buy it for miniature on the first part, and other stuff after. I always says "no miniature, no game"

3- the more stuff there is, the better the game will be. There would never be enough, never !

4- I don't play much games, so I prefer a big super game, than a multiple of small cool games

5- When I start, I finish, so Now i'm in the business, I will buy it all

6- All expansion for the time being gave something new : trollfens and lair of the wyrm, rumors card, labyrinth of ruin, allies system, and Shadow of Nerekhall, all new tiles (as much as in the base game), new mechanics, and a "hard mode" for the heroes (LoR was easy, I think)

So, I hope this will never end, or in ten years. My only regret : I will have to wait. If only I could have all now, and you guys will have to wait

I am generally in acceptance Rugal buy if card Verbage is Garbage then they have a serious quality issue.

the rest is down to pace as I said before and is basically personal preference.

Lilikin -

2-3 is game preference and like Stevo-O says look before you leap if you play it more than once a month you may want more quests and thus spend the money. D2E they are definitely going for the slow burner and the question will be are they burning it so slow it stops.

I feel like you're missing the point entirely. If you consider D2E to be a "slow burner" I'm not sure what you would consider everything else on the market... I have never seen a board game before in my life (and I've been playing games pretty much all of it) that published 5-10 supplements a quarter. This game is such a fast burner that it has totally burned me out. And it's clearly burned the designers out too.

I'm not saying they should release MORE new mechanics, or more stuff - quite the opposite. Less stuff, better stuff. The two new mechanics in SoN (influence and Citizens) are additional complexity with no particular strategic payoff. None of the relics look like they're worth fighting over. None of the shop items are going on my "Ooh, I hope this comes up" list, except the star thingy that gives you an extra die on all attacks - which was already incredibly good when they published it as the Sun Stone.

Of the four classes, none of them are real winners. Skirmisher looks pretty powerful, so I might play it, but it doesn't really feel like it lives up to the theme. It's not interesting, it's just got two powerful 3-cost skills. Bard is the only really INTERESTING class, but anyone who has ever designed a board game before would be able to tell them that a class whose power is depending on the player keeping track of as many as 4 different triggering conditions, with no on-board reminder, should be left for a video game. And the other two just don't do anything I am even vaguely interested in. The classes just look profoundly boring.

That - to me - is the theme of SoN - more of the same, less interesting than the stuff you've got.

TL;DR - I think FFG should focus on putting out better stuff, not more stuff. They're clearly not going to be doing that any time soon, so they're not going to be getting any more of my cash any time soon.

tough crowd.

tough crowd.

hahahaha hilarious.

Amos, you are wrong its not 5-10 supplements a quarter there is one Addon so far every half a year. The lieutenants and the rehash packs are very conditional as I said in another thread you might need a new lieutenant once a campaign.

I can understand if you have shelving/Cash issues with buying them and that's why your burned out. I Take your point about the verbage. My point about slow burning is they have a life cycle for the game and they are changing the mechanics slowly so they can get more add ons in the same number of mechanics is my point. D2e isn't a RPG but has a release cycle like one.