So I was moving my ships to a new tackle box and when looking at my hwks I noticed that there really isn't any way to see out of the front of the ship? Look at the windows, they are on the top and sides but nothing for the front? What am I missing here?
how do they see out of the hwk?
Monitors in the cockpit that are tied to cameras and sensors in the nose.
Edited by Bjorn RockfistNice, where is that picture from? Dark forces 1?
functionally Windows on a Spaceship should be useless and dangerous anyways. It isn't uncommon in SF to have ships with no viewports whatsoever. The Hawk having any is a little dumb.
Nice, where is that picture from? Dark forces 1?
I believe it is from a RPG source book.
functionally Windows on a Spaceship should be useless and dangerous anyways. It isn't uncommon in SF to have ships with no viewports whatsoever. The Hawk having any is a little dumb.
What do you mean by its dumb to have any? When I said windows I meant viewports. What is SF?
Science fiction
What do you mean by its dumb to have any? When I said windows I meant viewports. What is SF?functionally Windows on a Spaceship should be useless and dangerous anyways. It isn't uncommon in SF to have ships with no viewports whatsoever. The Hawk having any is a little dumb.
Functionally Space is Big. Like Really Really big. The odds of anything entering our very limited Sight range(Somewhere around 30 miles for anything smaller than a moon) are really low, meaning that every bit of flying a pilot would do in space would be sensor based. Add in the speed at which pilots would theoretically be moving and the visual distortions therein, and you get even more sensor based flight with the addition of mind bending nausea. A ship would be much better off having the pilots behind six feet of radiation proof bulkhead an relying solely off of sensors. Of course, trying to write entertaining Space Battles in these conditions(which I've done) is difficult and more than a little mindbending. And so esceoteric that anybody who hasn't taken and understood High School Physics or the equivalent would probably just put it down and walk away.
Now, this is Star Wars. Spaceships fly at between not very fast and still slower than modern fighter planes so that cinematic dogfighting can take place, making viewports a little more useful, as well as operating in a version of outer space where sound carries. So the reason the Hawks viewports are silly is because they offer almost no visibility for the pilot. They are merely a vulnerable spot on the hull with little to no purpose beyond letting the pilot see the pretty stars.
Edited by AminarSF is Science Fiction.What do you mean by its dumb to have any? When I said windows I meant viewports. What is SF?functionally Windows on a Spaceship should be useless and dangerous anyways. It isn't uncommon in SF to have ships with no viewports whatsoever. The Hawk having any is a little dumb.
Functionally Space is Big. Like Really Really big. The odds of anything entering our very limited Sight range(Somewhere around 30 miles for anything smaller than a moon) are really low, meaning that every bit of flying a pilot would do in space would be sensor based. Add in the speed at which pilots would theoretically be moving and the visual distortions therein, and you get even more sensor based flight with the addition of mind bending nausea. A ship would be much better off having the pilots behind six feet of radiation proof bulkhead an relying solely off of sensors. Of course, trying to write entertaining Space Battles in these conditions(which I've done) is difficult and more than a little mindbending. And so esceoteric that anybody who hasn't taken and understood High School Physics or the equivalent would probably just put it down and walk away.
Now, this is Star Wars. Spaceships fly at between not very fast and still slower than modern fighter planes so that cinematic dogfighting can take place, making viewports a little more useful, as well as operating in a version of outer space where sound carries. So the reason the Hawks viewports are silly is because they offer almost no visibility for the pilot. They are merely a vulnerable spot on the hull with little to no purpose beyond letting the pilot see the pretty stars.
Thank you, that actually makes alot of sense!
SF is Science Fiction.
What do you mean by its dumb to have any? When I said windows I meant viewports. What is SF?functionally Windows on a Spaceship should be useless and dangerous anyways. It isn't uncommon in SF to have ships with no viewports whatsoever. The Hawk having any is a little dumb.
Functionally Space is Big. Like Really Really big. The odds of anything entering our very limited Sight range(Somewhere around 30 miles for anything smaller than a moon) are really low, meaning that every bit of flying a pilot would do in space would be sensor based. Add in the speed at which pilots would theoretically be moving and the visual distortions therein, and you get even more sensor based flight with the addition of mind bending nausea. A ship would be much better off having the pilots behind six feet of radiation proof bulkhead an relying solely off of sensors. Of course, trying to write entertaining Space Battles in these conditions(which I've done) is difficult and more than a little mindbending. And so esceoteric that anybody who hasn't taken and understood High School Physics or the equivalent would probably just put it down and walk away.
Now, this is Star Wars. Spaceships fly at between not very fast and still slower than modern fighter planes so that cinematic dogfighting can take place, making viewports a little more useful, as well as operating in a version of outer space where sound carries. So the reason the Hawks viewports are silly is because they offer almost no visibility for the pilot. They are merely a vulnerable spot on the hull with little to no purpose beyond letting the pilot see the pretty stars.
Vinge.
Marooned in Realtime.
A Deepness in the Sky.
You are welcome.
SF is Science Fiction.What do you mean by its dumb to have any? When I said windows I meant viewports. What is SF?functionally Windows on a Spaceship should be useless and dangerous anyways. It isn't uncommon in SF to have ships with no viewports whatsoever. The Hawk having any is a little dumb.
Functionally Space is Big. Like Really Really big. The odds of anything entering our very limited Sight range(Somewhere around 30 miles for anything smaller than a moon) are really low, meaning that every bit of flying a pilot would do in space would be sensor based. Add in the speed at which pilots would theoretically be moving and the visual distortions therein, and you get even more sensor based flight with the addition of mind bending nausea. A ship would be much better off having the pilots behind six feet of radiation proof bulkhead an relying solely off of sensors. Of course, trying to write entertaining Space Battles in these conditions(which I've done) is difficult and more than a little mindbending. And so esceoteric that anybody who hasn't taken and understood High School Physics or the equivalent would probably just put it down and walk away.
Now, this is Star Wars. Spaceships fly at between not very fast and still slower than modern fighter planes so that cinematic dogfighting can take place, making viewports a little more useful, as well as operating in a version of outer space where sound carries. So the reason the Hawks viewports are silly is because they offer almost no visibility for the pilot. They are merely a vulnerable spot on the hull with little to no purpose beyond letting the pilot see the pretty stars.
Vinge.
Marooned in Realtime.
A Deepness in the Sky.
You are welcome.
I'm assuming these are works that demonstrate what I'm talking about? How are they as far as not being verly focused on the science? I'm picky about Sci-Fi, as I prefer a focus on cool stuff over scientific realism, and most Sci-Fi disagrees with me a whole lot.
SF is Science Fiction.
What do you mean by its dumb to have any? When I said windows I meant viewports. What is SF?functionally Windows on a Spaceship should be useless and dangerous anyways. It isn't uncommon in SF to have ships with no viewports whatsoever. The Hawk having any is a little dumb.
Functionally Space is Big. Like Really Really big. The odds of anything entering our very limited Sight range(Somewhere around 30 miles for anything smaller than a moon) are really low, meaning that every bit of flying a pilot would do in space would be sensor based. Add in the speed at which pilots would theoretically be moving and the visual distortions therein, and you get even more sensor based flight with the addition of mind bending nausea. A ship would be much better off having the pilots behind six feet of radiation proof bulkhead an relying solely off of sensors. Of course, trying to write entertaining Space Battles in these conditions(which I've done) is difficult and more than a little mindbending. And so esceoteric that anybody who hasn't taken and understood High School Physics or the equivalent would probably just put it down and walk away.
Now, this is Star Wars. Spaceships fly at between not very fast and still slower than modern fighter planes so that cinematic dogfighting can take place, making viewports a little more useful, as well as operating in a version of outer space where sound carries. So the reason the Hawks viewports are silly is because they offer almost no visibility for the pilot. They are merely a vulnerable spot on the hull with little to no purpose beyond letting the pilot see the pretty stars.
Vinge.
Marooned in Realtime.
A Deepness in the Sky.
You are welcome.
Brilliant.
as well as operating in a version of outer space where sound carries.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Aural_sensor
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And in Star Wars, like lots of SF, the "windows" are made of magic unbreakable diamond-steel-neutronium, so they are no more a weak point than any other part of the ship.
The only time you see a window break is when Arvel Crynydd smashes into the super star destroyer bridge.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Aural_sensoras well as operating in a version of outer space where sound carries.
... That is quite possibly the most far-fetched attempt to explain a generic sci-fi trope I have ever seen.
Edited by kerokoAnd in Star Wars, like lots of SF, the "windows" are made of magic unbreakable diamond-steel-neutronium, so they are no more a weak point than any other part of the ship.
The only time you see a window break is when Arvel Crynydd smashes into the super star destroyer bridge.
Scotty makes all SF windows out of Transparent Aluminum and then sells them to the various universes.
Hrm
Tie-Fighters
...just saying...
Haha!
Logic and Science have no place in a fictional universe where space wizards use swords made of light.
Haha!
Logic and Science have no place in a fictional universe where space wizards use swords made of light.
A certain amount of logic always has to be present for a setting to make sense at all. "Space wizards with swords of light" doesn't mean that everyone in the universe throws away reason and starts doing the crazy dance.
SF is Science Fiction.
What do you mean by its dumb to have any? When I said windows I meant viewports. What is SF?functionally Windows on a Spaceship should be useless and dangerous anyways. It isn't uncommon in SF to have ships with no viewports whatsoever. The Hawk having any is a little dumb.
Functionally Space is Big. Like Really Really big. The odds of anything entering our very limited Sight range(Somewhere around 30 miles for anything smaller than a moon) are really low, meaning that every bit of flying a pilot would do in space would be sensor based. Add in the speed at which pilots would theoretically be moving and the visual distortions therein, and you get even more sensor based flight with the addition of mind bending nausea. A ship would be much better off having the pilots behind six feet of radiation proof bulkhead an relying solely off of sensors. Of course, trying to write entertaining Space Battles in these conditions(which I've done) is difficult and more than a little mindbending. And so esceoteric that anybody who hasn't taken and understood High School Physics or the equivalent would probably just put it down and walk away.
Now, this is Star Wars. Spaceships fly at between not very fast and still slower than modern fighter planes so that cinematic dogfighting can take place, making viewports a little more useful, as well as operating in a version of outer space where sound carries. So the reason the Hawks viewports are silly is because they offer almost no visibility for the pilot. They are merely a vulnerable spot on the hull with little to no purpose beyond letting the pilot see the pretty stars.
A fun, and mostly based in reality, SF book series I have been enjoying is James S.A. Corey's New York Times bestselling Expanse series.
The amazon description of the first book in the series Leviathan Wakes:
Jim Holden is XO of an ice miner making runs from the rings of Saturn to the mining stations of the Belt. When he and his crew stumble upon a derelict ship, The Scopuli, they find themselves in possession of a secret they never wanted. A secret that someone is willing to kill for - and kill on a scale unfathomable to Jim and his crew. War is brewing in the system unless he can find out who left the ship and why.
Detective Miller is looking for a girl. One girl in a system of billions, but her parents have money and money talks. When the trail leads him to The Scopuli and rebel sympathizer Holden, he realizes that this girl may be the key to everything.
Holden and Miller must thread the needle between the Earth government, the Outer Planet revolutionaries, and secretive corporations - and the odds are against them. But out in the Belt, the rules are different, and one small ship can change the fate of the universe.
The ships in this series are basically windowless, grey wedges for these exact reasons being discussed.
Edited by catachan23Haha!
Logic and Science have no place in a fictional universe where space wizards use swords made of light.
As for the Aural Sensor, that makes absolutely 0 sense. It isn't even a feasible piece of tech, because the vibrations will not carry through space. There's nothing to travel through. It's easier and more realistic to say that the Force's omnipresence creates a faint etheric atmosphere in space that carries soumd than to create a sensor array that picks up and translates the vibrations in other ships hulls and translates them into sounds. And even more realisitc to say that in 1977 people would have not enjoyed the movies without sound in the space battles.
The most amusing thing about the Aural Sensor is that in the attempt to relieve our suspension of disbelief, they end up snapping it even faster. Suspension of disbelief means people don't ask the questions like "how come nobody recognizes Clark as Superman?" or "why is there sound in space?" but just watch the movie. By creating an explanation for that piece of fiction, you're only focusing people's attention to it. And to add to it, not only are they now paying attention to it (which means the disbelief is no longer suspended) but they'll start picking holes in your inevitably flimsy theory too (which means they're going to keep paying attention to it).
On sound in space....
I like JJ Abrams Star Trek opening space scrap where inside the ship there is a lot of bang boom shuddering going on. Hull breach! Everyone screaming as they get sucked into space then......silence....in space nobody can hear you scream. Indeed, even the sound effects of weapons fire and explosions faded into nothing as they got sucked into the cold of space. Nicely done in my opinion, and one of my favourite parts of the movie because I felt it was realistic.
On the merits of windows......
Not everyone likes to spend hours in windowless rooms hunched over computer screens. Indeed, I believe there would be a greater risk of space dementia if you were unable to see anything beyond the cramped, narrow walls pressing in on you. Sometimes is it just comforting to have a view of something else. In a combat situation I'll accept that you may be focused on your combat screens, but then no technology can replace a good pair of eyes and I know I would rather trust my eyes than a computer screen.
Feel free to disagree, I'm neither a qualified physicist or psychologist.
Haha!
Logic and Science have no place in a fictional universe where space wizards use swords made of light.
A certain amount of logic always has to be present for a setting to make sense at all. "Space wizards with swords of light" doesn't mean that everyone in the universe throws away reason and starts doing the crazy dance.
From the perspective of a writer you have it 100% backwards. For every bit of magic and wierdness Star Wars has to add something we believe somewhere else, or the viewer loses interest.Haha!
Logic and Science have no place in a fictional universe where space wizards use swords made of light.
...put a check mark in the sarcasm column.
Chewbacca
R2 and C3-PO
Jabba the Hutt
Giant Space Slug
Walking around in the vacuum of space in the space slug's stomach/throat with only a re-breather face mask
14 parsec sector of space traveled under 12 parsecs
Blue walking talking ghost wizard
She was really his sister
He was really their father
Ewoks
....
I am having fun at the expense of the conversation, you guys take it a tad to serious.
Back on topic.
NASA's space shuttles have windows/view ports.
Edited by LordCole
Haha!
Logic and Science have no place in a fictional universe where space wizards use swords made of light.
A certain amount of logic always has to be present for a setting to make sense at all. "Space wizards with swords of light" doesn't mean that everyone in the universe throws away reason and starts doing the crazy dance.
From the perspective of a writer you have it 100% backwards. For every bit of magic and wierdness Star Wars has to add something we believe somewhere else, or the viewer loses interest.Haha!
Logic and Science have no place in a fictional universe where space wizards use swords made of light.
...put a check mark in the sarcasm column.
Chewbacca
R2 and C3-PO
Jabba the Hutt
Giant Space Slug
Walking around in the vacuum of space in the space slug's stomach/throat with only a re-breather face mask
14 parsec sector of space traveled under 12 parsecs
Blue walking talking ghost wizard
She was really his sister
He was really their father
Ewoks
....
I am having fun at the expense of the conversation, you guys take it a tad to serious.
Back on topic.
NASA's space shuttles have windows/view ports.
First- Haha! Agreed about the silliness.
Second- However those shuttles are not taveling at light speed across the vast galaxy. They are staying realtively 'in sight' of home.