Go take a look at some of the miniatures put out by reaper, games workshop, darksword, etc etc. They are in many cases very intricate (if not more so than Xwing) and are much more durable while still being very lightweight. They could easily paint these the same way. After you've looked at these, played with them a bit, and seen the quality/durability, I want you to come back into this thread and try saying the Xwing minis are durable, with a straight face

I'm guessing those who are trying to say 'these are DURABLE!!' are just hardcore FFG fans, it's ok to admit when there's something not quite right. For $15 a pop they could do better.

Go take a look at some of the miniatures put out by reaper, games workshop, darksword, etc etc. They are in many cases very intricate (if not more so than Xwing) and are much more durable while still being very lightweight. They could easily paint these the same way. After you've looked at these, played with them a bit, and seen the quality/durability, I want you to come back into this thread and try saying the Xwing minis are durable, with a straight face

I'm guessing those who are trying to say 'these are DURABLE!!' are just hardcore FFG fans, it's ok to admit when there's something not quite right. For $15 a pop they could do better.

Wow, given the hate. Games work shop and others do have wonderful minis. It is also a license they control. FFG has to give a certain percent of their profits to Disney. So keeping that price at $15 is remarkable. Compared to Games workshop yes a little less intricate. But in X-Wing you are getting a preprinted model. Do we really need to compare preprinted model prices for these two?

Go take a look at some of the miniatures put out by reaper, games workshop, darksword, etc etc. They are in many cases very intricate (if not more so than Xwing) and are much more durable while still being very lightweight. They could easily paint these the same way. After you've looked at these, played with them a bit, and seen the quality/durability, I want you to come back into this thread and try saying the Xwing minis are durable, with a straight face

I'm guessing those who are trying to say 'these are DURABLE!!' are just hardcore FFG fans, it's ok to admit when there's something not quite right. For $15 a pop they could do better.

Wow, given the hate. Games work shop and others do have wonderful minis. It is also a license they control. FFG has to give a certain percent of their profits to Disney. So keeping that price at $15 is remarkable. Compared to Games workshop yes a little less intricate. But in X-Wing you are getting a preprinted model. Do we really need to compare preprinted model prices for these two?

You're dancing around the core problem, dear. Stop trying to deflect. The durability. Sorry, but the FFG Xwing minis are flimsy/fragile. You're lying if you say otherwise.

They really are more durable than they appear to be. I toss my minis into a little tin lunchbox, along with the rest of the components I need for the tournament, and have yet to have a broken mini. Hell, I store the minis all jumbled up in container designed for cards. Only had one issue, which was a bomber wing coming off, but it wasn't a true break, as I was able to snap it back on.

Yes, there are more durable plastics and miniatures out there. But, I like that I don't have to worry about the X-wing guns getting "soft", as it were, even if I have to handle the mini just a tad more carefully.

OK, I'm a FFG fan, sure, but I'm also just relaying my experience.

I could bust up these models, but I play with my 8 and 10 year old sons all the time and have never had one broken. They are not invincible, but I think they are plenty durable for the cost. And I also don't store them in foam, and carry them back and forth in a couple Plano cases to the FLGS and back a good bit.

No, I'm not going to go play Games Workshop stuff. I have no interest in that, and the prices for those seem insane to me, even if I was interested. My children seem to have a fondness for eating that I like to indulge. I'm a very satisfied customer with what I have is all.

Go take a look at some of the miniatures put out by reaper, games workshop, darksword, etc etc. They are in many cases very intricate (if not more so than Xwing) and are much more durable while still being very lightweight. They could easily paint these the same way. After you've looked at these, played with them a bit, and seen the quality/durability, I want you to come back into this thread and try saying the Xwing minis are durable, with a straight face

I'm guessing those who are trying to say 'these are DURABLE!!' are just hardcore FFG fans, it's ok to admit when there's something not quite right. For $15 a pop they could do better.

Wow, given the hate. Games work shop and others do have wonderful minis. It is also a license they control. FFG has to give a certain percent of their profits to Disney. So keeping that price at $15 is remarkable. Compared to Games workshop yes a little less intricate. But in X-Wing you are getting a preprinted model. Do we really need to compare preprinted model prices for these two?

You're dancing around the core problem, dear. Stop trying to deflect. The durability. Sorry, but the FFG Xwing minis are flimsy/fragile. You're lying if you say otherwise.

They are small thin pieces of plastic. Yes, anyone can crush them with their bare hands or smach them underfoot. But under normal use, they rarely break, which is adequate durability by my definition. And when they do, the company (with no written or implied warranty) will replace them for you, mailing them directly to your house at no charge! Does Games Workshop do that?

Go take a look at some of the miniatures put out by reaper, games workshop, darksword, etc etc. They are in many cases very intricate (if not more so than Xwing) and are much more durable while still being very lightweight. They could easily paint these the same way. After you've looked at these, played with them a bit, and seen the quality/durability, I want you to come back into this thread and try saying the Xwing minis are durable, with a straight face

I'm guessing those who are trying to say 'these are DURABLE!!' are just hardcore FFG fans, it's ok to admit when there's something not quite right. For $15 a pop they could do better.

Wow, given the hate. Games work shop and others do have wonderful minis. It is also a license they control. FFG has to give a certain percent of their profits to Disney. So keeping that price at $15 is remarkable. Compared to Games workshop yes a little less intricate. But in X-Wing you are getting a preprinted model. Do we really need to compare preprinted model prices for these two?

You're dancing around the core problem, dear. Stop trying to deflect. The durability. Sorry, but the FFG Xwing minis are flimsy/fragile. You're lying if you say otherwise.

Lying? Try a little politeness when advancing your opinion, even as an anonymous internet poster.

So you're really going to tell me that they are NOT fragile?

If you use a more durable plastic, it's likely to be softer as well. Then you end up with droopy guns on every single X-Wing, and I don't think we want that. I have yet to break a single ship either. I think that for the scale, they are about as durable as we could ask for. Especially to keep the level of detail they have, and the price point we are used to. The $15 doesn't just cover the mini, but the tokens, dials, and cards as well, so you can't really compare it to something like a $5 Reaper bones model. And those that I've seen don't come close to X-Wing in detail.

@HunterEste see my edited post above.

Actually, GW will replace faulty/damaged unit if they are damaged during the shipping process or in packaging, they are very prompt about it and it's a smooth process I've used it during the debacles of the first runs of finecast.

They don't swap out models that break because of user abuse/error, and rightly they shouldn't. I don't think FFG should either. Instead FFG should put out more durable miniatures

Then stop buying the FFG crap if it bothers you, and stop calling people liars while you are at it.

If you use a more durable plastic, it's likely to be softer as well. Then you end up with droopy guns on every single X-Wing, and I don't think we want that. I have yet to break a single ship either. I think that for the scale, they are about as durable as we could ask for. Especially to keep the level of detail they have, and the price point we are used to. The $15 doesn't just cover the mini, but the tokens, dials, and cards as well, so you can't really compare it to something like a $5 Reaper bones model. And those that I've seen don't come close to X-Wing in detail.

https://www.reapermini.com/Miniatures/Dark%20Heaven%20Legends/latest/03667#detail/03667_w_1

$5.99 and no less detailed than an FFG mini....in fact it may be more so, check the fingers, those small buttons, creases in the cloth, the broach, the detailing on the leather, the tiny satchel with it's little drawstring....yeah it's just as detailed.

Then stop buying the FFG crap if it bothers you, and stop calling people liars while you are at it.

Ah because that's the solution when we encounter a problem, we ignore it and instead of voicing our concerns to get it corrected, we just run away? Interesting ideology.

sorry all for this, i should have not brought it up

isn't this all moot anyway since FFG customer service is so awesome replacing broken figures?

sorry all for this, i should have not brought it up

isn't this all moot anyway since FFG customer service is so awesome replacing broken figures?

It's nice that they are so awesome, but it would be nicer if we didn't have to go through that process.

I had an interceptor with a crooked panel. FFG customer support shipped me a new interceptor in a couple days. My dog recently got ahold of a couple proxy mines and a Falcon base and FFG sent me new ones.

I'm extremely happy with their customer service, I'm sure they'll help you out.

I snapped a 'wing' of a TIE/ln. But it was my own fault, held it by the wings to remove it from it's flight stand, snap! off came a wing. Super glue and 10 seconds of my time, and it was fixed. BTW peeps, hold TIE's by the ball when removing from flight stand - as if that needed to be said...

Not a single other broken model so far.

Cheers

I've only had one broken miniature: an X-Wing s-foil (it came out of the box broken). I easily superglued it back on and haven't had a problem since, and I'm not particularly kind to my miniatures. Sure, there may be more sturdy materials out there, but I don't see the need to invest in a huge change of manufacturing like that when the models are already great quality.

The way the wings are attached you can easily reglue it on. Funny to see though!

If you use a more durable plastic, it's likely to be softer as well. Then you end up with droopy guns on every single X-Wing, and I don't think we want that. I have yet to break a single ship either. I think that for the scale, they are about as durable as we could ask for. Especially to keep the level of detail they have, and the price point we are used to. The $15 doesn't just cover the mini, but the tokens, dials, and cards as well, so you can't really compare it to something like a $5 Reaper bones model. And those that I've seen don't come close to X-Wing in detail.

https://www.reapermini.com/Miniatures/Dark%20Heaven%20Legends/latest/03667#detail/03667_w_1

$5.99 and no less detailed than an FFG mini....in fact it may be more so, check the fingers, those small buttons, creases in the cloth, the broach, the detailing on the leather, the tiny satchel with it's little drawstring....yeah it's just as detailed.

Without seeing it in person to know the scale, and really check the detail out I would hesitate to call it "just as detailed". And, like I said, the $15 pays for licensing, cards, tokens, a dial, stand, painting, etc. You have to find the best compromise of durability, quality, and cost. That isn't necessarily FFG being cheap assholes, it's economics. Since they so willingly replace broken minis, I'd imagine that if it was reasonable to make them more durable, they would, and would then reap the benefits of not having to replace so many.

sorry all for this, i should have not brought it up

isn't this all moot anyway since FFG customer service is so awesome replacing broken figures?

Don't be sorry! You got a broken Intercepter. It's pretty natural to be bummed.

Considering all the pieces/parts FFG is super willing to replace, I would say you don't have too long to worry about it.

I have broken three models; An X-Wing, an A-Wing, and a Firespray.

A-Wing my wife bumped off the table and it landed wrong. (Landed upside down, with the base still attached. Broke where the peg connects to the ship)

X-Wing when I dropped to see if it would break the same way. (sure enough, it did.)

The Firespray I broke the peg off on purpose so that it would sit better.

A few dabs of superglue later, and all three are good as new (the Firespray, better.)

When the A-Wing broke, my first inclination was to be super upset.

Then I realized: stuff breaks.

Step on them; they might break.

Drop them; they might break.

Bump them off the table; they might break.

They are tiny, intricate, painted, and fragile.

They also have survived being tossed in my car, played with by 13 year olds, bumped and dropped multiple times, and shaken around in their little cases.

https://www.reapermini.com/Miniatures/Dark%20Heaven%20Legends/latest/03667#detail/03667_w_1

$5.99 and no less detailed than an FFG mini....in fact it may be more so, check the fingers, those small buttons, creases in the cloth, the broach, the detailing on the leather, the tiny satchel with it's little drawstring....yeah it's just as detailed.

Reaper mini's are pretty awesome, but this is a terrible example.

You are literally comparing a miniature that requires a single mold to a miniature that requires multiples.

Is it detailed? Yes.

Is it intricate? Yes.

Is it as fragile? No even close.

Why? Because no large parts of that model are supported by much smaller parts (like the Intercepter's wing). The thinnest part of that mini is her wrist and that's not even supporting anything! (except the fireball)

Here's a model a bit closer (it has two structurally weak points, providing the base is attached)

https://www.reapermini.com/Miniatures/Robot%20Supply%20Depot/latest/07114#detail/07114_kk_f

Pretty cool. But it doesn't come with the cards, tokens and stuff that the X-Wing mini's come with. Or a full base.

On top of that, it is unpainted.

SO! Your mission is to buy that model, paint it at least as good as X-Wing mini's are, provide enough extra stuff to make it an expansion to a core set, AND make it able to withstand whatever durability tests you think it should pass.

Oh, and then sell it for $15. So... you have $4 to work with.

Good luck!

Just received Imperial Aces as a gift. Opened the parcel only to find...

I stuck 20+ minis plus all the bases, dials and assorted bits in a plastic compartmented sewing case padded only with some paper towels, stuck in my bag, and checked it as luggage to and from GenCon last year and nothing got broken.

They're plenty durable enough for normal use. I've only had one break, and that was caused by an over-eager 9-year-old.

I had an interceptor with a crooked panel. FFG customer support shipped me a new interceptor in a couple days. My dog recently got ahold of a couple proxy mines and a Falcon base and FFG sent me new ones.

I'm extremely happy with their customer service, I'm sure they'll help you out.

The Royal guard TIE Interceptor I received in my Imperial Aces has a warped panel on the right side. I have been considering how I would go about fixing it because looking at it drives me crazy, but I am afraid that I will break it completely if I attempt to repair it.

I hadn't considered using customer support for a replacement, do you guys recommend giving them a call?

I've got well over 25 years of experience with miniatures from a very large variety of manufacturers.

I'm a professional model painter

I was actually very surprised by how durable x-wing miniatures are, and also by the quality of the moulding.

Assembly is a bit more 'meh' (but by no means bad), particularly with regard to part alignment.

I certainly wouldn't say they were unsuitably fragile. Using a softer, more flexible material would inevitably lead to bending guns and wings, so I'm glad they've gone with what they have.