Maybe not a model, per say, but tiles would be nice. That way you could have a dogfight OVER a Star Destroyer

If they were to implement the ship I doubt that the destroyer would have any built in weapons but rather tons of Hardpoints upgrades and be an energy producing machine.

Maybe not a model, per say, but tiles would be nice. That way you could have a dogfight OVER a Star Destroyer

Exactly.

Tiles would still be a bit underwhelming for me...

Tiles would still be a bit underwhelming for me...

Yeah I know.

Probably why FFG has decided to go with the 'off camera' approach that they have with the Evac of Hoth.

Hi All,

I created a username specifically to weigh in on this discussion.

First, both myself and my game partner fully support the idea of an ISD, represented as an out of scale model.

Secondly, let's say that FFG does introduce this wildly out of scale model, but continues to support the game with traditional "in-scale" waves, would the people who are against the ISD model continue to play?

I've got a couple of additional points, but I'm curious as to responses to the question above.

Secondly, let's say that FFG does introduce this wildly out of scale model, but continues to support the game with traditional "in-scale" waves, would the people who are against the ISD model continue to play?

I almost certainly wouldn't purchase the ISD, and probably wouldn't be interested in matches where my opponent would use it. I wouldn't quit the game, but I'd withhold that bit of my business from them.

Secondly, let's say that FFG does introduce this wildly out of scale model, but continues to support the game with traditional "in-scale" waves, would the people who are against the ISD model continue to play?

I almost certainly wouldn't purchase the ISD, and probably wouldn't be interested in matches where my opponent would use it. I wouldn't quit the game, but I'd withhold that bit of my business from them.

I would buy a Star Destroyer, depending on price and my own ability to house the model. Anything over 2 feet long(by about 1 wide and 8 inches tall) will be too big and heavy to be practical. Even then, moving it around a reasonable play space would be pushing it. I don't care about the scale, I get that it's totally impractical to keep to scale. But I would love to have a Star Destroyer all my own.

Secondly, let's say that FFG does introduce this wildly out of scale model, but continues to support the game with traditional "in-scale" waves, would the people who are against the ISD model continue to play?

I almost certainly wouldn't purchase the ISD, and probably wouldn't be interested in matches where my opponent would use it. I wouldn't quit the game, but I'd withhold that bit of my business from them.

Entirely because it was out of scale? That seems unfair to your opponents. I mean, I loathe the Falcon(tight 1 turn on a frieghter my butt), but that just affects how I build in my lists. Cutting out because you don't like your opponents list is getting on the sketchy side.

Bringing it to the tabletop at any scale we could actually fit reasonably on the table and move around would make me feel silly--so I would choose not to play with it on the table.

But I hasten to add that I'm not saying I'd flip the table and walk out if I saw an ISD. I'd simply stop doing organized play in whatever format FFG is running that allows it. (I'd almost certainly still have all of the regular dogfight stuff, which is where I expect most of my focus will remain anyway.)

FFG said they want to balance scale and playability with the CR-90 and Transport when they announced the "fudging" of the scale. What you are asking for is a ship that only looks like an ISD, not what would actually play like an ISD, because to be true to an ISD you cannot put one on the table.

I hope that this does not come off as condescending since conveying emotion and tone in a message board is not exactly easy...

It seems the only criteria that needs to be met is that you have a model that looks like an ISD on the table regardless of scale discrepancies. That can be achieved simply by placing a model on the table purchased from FFG or any other retailer that sells an ISD model suitable to your standards of what is playable for that matter, and just using the CR-90 or Transport ruleset and cards and substituting in the ISD name where applicable. If exact duplicate stats are not sufficient, you can double them or change or mix and match or whatever until you are content.

That is, sort of anyway, what is being asked for, right?

As long as in appearance it's an ISD. Keeping scale and true to scale abilities of an ISD is not what is being asked for, right?

Hi All,

I created a username specifically to weigh in on this discussion.

First, both myself and my game partner fully support the idea of an ISD, represented as an out of scale model.

Secondly, let's say that FFG does introduce this wildly out of scale model, but continues to support the game with traditional "in-scale" waves, would the people who are against the ISD model continue to play?

I've got a couple of additional points, but I'm curious as to responses to the question above.

However, I would be going into the game knowing that any semblance of reason has already set aside. To me it would be like me putting down Vipers and a Battlestar on the same board. Sure they don't belong in the Star Wars Universe let alone XWMG, but we have already dismissed what would be real and not real, so it wouldn't matter.

I love gaming and love all kinds of games, from the serious to the wacky. But when a game try's to be something it in not, the game stops being that game anymore. It has become something entirely different.

So would I stop playing? No. Would I be playing XWMG as the "true to the actual ships in the movies" miniature game that FFG proudly boasts and started out as. Also no. It would then be "let's see what else we can sell because it looks cool" miniature game instead.

Hi All,

I created a username specifically to weigh in on this discussion.

Also, Welcome.

The Geekiness is strong with us.

As for me, Epic play currently tempt me, I even have a big table ready for it. But were they to publish a model as out of scale as the ISD would be, I would move back to playing only the basic game. That's the essence of the game anyway, fighters against fighters, not an whole fleet battle. Make another game for it and I'll buy into it, same with a ground version. I,m all for it, but for another game.

As if I would buy the model? Well, if the price is right, the collector in me will have no choice but to succomb to it.

I think the Victory class SD would be the best choice if it were to happen. (900 meters as opposed to 1500)

I would want it to be at least 3 feet long.

You would probably need to set it in the middle of the field and make it not move.

Like a giant gnarly asteroid.

to really represent it still needs to be 6x larger than the CR90.. that is still an issue with some of us..

So what do does everyone think the LARGEST Imperial vessel that could realistically be produced at the CURRENT (i.e. Corvette/Transport) scale would be? i.e. one that would look right on the tabletop, play well enough and not be so powerful that you'd be looking at 250+ points to field it without upgrades?

Immobilizer-418 Cruiser /Interdictor (600m) - still too big and powerful for tabletop play?

Strike-Class Medium Cruiser? (450m) - even this might be too large...

Carrack-Class Light Cruiser? (350m) - well over twice the length of a Corvette, but might work...

EF76-B Nebulon-class Escort Frigate? (300m) - the problem here is height - it's as tall as the Corvette is long...

Lancer-Class frigate? (250m) - could work,would have to seriously tone down the firepower it could put out...

IPV-1 System Patrol Craft? (150m) Corvette-sized, but not a particularly well-known ship...

Both the Tantive IV and GR-75 Medium Transport have a rather obvious advantage over most of these ships - they featured in the films. Even to a casual Star Wars fan, they're instantly recognizable...

So what do does everyone think the LARGEST Imperial vessel that could realistically be produced at the CURRENT (i.e. Corvette/Transport) scale would be? i.e. one that would look right on the tabletop, play well enough and not be so powerful that you'd be looking at 250+ points to field it without upgrades?

Immobilizer-418 Cruiser /Interdictor (600m) - still too big and powerful for tabletop play?

Strike-Class Medium Cruiser? (450m) - even this might be too large...

Carrack-Class Light Cruiser? (350m) - well over twice the length of a Corvette, but might work...

EF76-B Nebulon-class Escort Frigate? (300m) - the problem here is height - it's as tall as the Corvette is long...

Lancer-Class frigate? (250m) - could work,would have to seriously tone down the firepower it could put out...

IPV-1 System Patrol Craft? (150m) Corvette-sized, but not a particularly well-known ship...

Both the Tantive IV and GR-75 Medium Transport have a rather obvious advantage over most of these ships - they featured in the films. Even to a casual Star Wars fan, they're instantly recognizable...

Another option (that might just please everyone) could be the Vigil-Class Corvette.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vigil-class_corvette

Since it is a corvette, one could argue that it would be a good counter-point to the current power balance with the CR-90.

It also has the look of an ISD to it, without the vast size and power difference, clocking in at 255m:

I'd buy that in a heartbeat. Looking at it more it's possibly viable to produce pre assembled. It'd be a **** big box tho...

I'd buy that in a heartbeat. From a production standpoint, It'd have to be a simple kit (clip together prepainted large componens) rather than pre assembled though.

Me too!

Even though it was originally Fanon, Lucasfilm Liscensing added it to the official Canon Continunity Holocron through their Essential Guide to Warfare.

I think the look of it is exactly what we are all looking for while still being able to fit the current formula for XWMG!

Yeah, I'd feel like an ISD would be stretching scaling just too much, but the vigil knocked down to say 1/400 would still be approximately 62cm.

Yeah, I'd feel like an ISD would be stretching scaling just too much, but the vigil knocked down to say 1/400 would still be approximately 62cm.

There is the 2ft model being asked for.

I like the Vigil too could work

I don't get this obsession with canon.

You guys realize that JarJar Binks is canon right?

Jar Jar isn't a pilot, nor in the original movies... and I hate that you made me type out that name.. sigh... canon is all important, FFG wants continuity.. and they said they want to keep it to realistic ideas.. that's why, I think, the off board ISD is used for the new scenario in the transport box... and why.. I think.. we will never see a model scaled down to represent one.. just too ridiculous.

Agreed, I think large cap ships should be off-board mechanisms rather than on the table. Stuff like the corvette and Vigil are doable though, and provide the capital ship feel (and with the vigil the style of an ISD) without breaking canon or playability too much.