I had to put it out of reach of my cats in fear that they would choke on it if they started chewing on it.

I have a box full of the Star Trek Micromachines from the nineties that I'm replacing most of the ships with. So far the Nova-class is the only original Federation miniature I'm using.

I am using some of the original Klingon ships and some Micromachines, but I've repainted them so they look fairly consistent.

We're going to need a bigger boat.

And 48 TIE Fighter, 12 TIE Interceptors, 12 TIE Bombers, 8 Lambda Shuttles, 15 yet-unreleased Stormtrooper transports, 5 yet-unreleased Assault Gunboats, and possibly some Skipray blastboats.

I am for an ISD to replace my Plano Tackle box to store my wing of Imperial fighters. Right now pictured is only 24 TIE Fighters, 18 TIE Interceptors, 12 TIE Bombers, 5 TIE Advances, and 2 Lambda Shuttles.

I am looking to replace one standard squadron of TIE Fighters with a mix of TIE Advances / Interceptors.

I am waiting for The Imperial Supply Corp to deliver 10 more TIE Fighters, 2 Interceptors, 3 TIE Advances (In the mail).

The Supply Corp has refused our requisition for 6 more Lambda Shuttles for now. (Saving up to buy the 6 at some time in the future.)

(Sorry trying to get picture to post. Will post as soon as I figure it out.

Why not? They spend $15 on an Enterprise the size of a nickel . . .

$15 for the cards, throw away the Enterprise. I used a Micro-machines one instead.

I hope the Imperials get a Dreadnaught-class heavy cruiser should be more powerfull than the tantive and a bit bigger?

think that show the ISD problem pretty well. Mind you **** beautiful job scratch building the bridge
http://x-wing.beckerf.de/html/gallery.html

I hope the Imperials get a Dreadnaught-class heavy cruiser should be more powerfull than the tantive and a bit bigger?

"A bit" is somewhat of an understatement. At 600 meters, a dreadnought is four times the size of a corvette.

I hope the Imperials get a Dreadnaught-class heavy cruiser should be more powerfull than the tantive and a bit bigger?

"A bit" is somewhat of an understatement. At 600 meters, a dreadnought is four times the size of a corvette.

AH my bad yeah that would be too much XD... I think im thinking of these other things (cone shaped nose, cilindrical mid and rectangular engines aft similar size to the reb corvette) cant for the life of me remember the name though or work out how to upload the pic i have

I hope the Imperials get a Dreadnaught-class heavy cruiser should be more powerfull than the tantive and a bit bigger?

"A bit" is somewhat of an understatement. At 600 meters, a dreadnought is four times the size of a corvette.

AH my bad yeah that would be too much XD... I think im thinking of these other things (cone shaped nose, cilindrical mid and rectangular engines aft similar size to the reb corvette) cant for the life of me remember the name though or work out how to upload the pic i have

Oh, you mean the Correlian Gunships. Yeah, those would work scalewise. Little bit smaller than a Corvette, even.

think that show the ISD problem pretty well. Mind you **** beautiful job scratch building the bridge

http://x-wing.beckerf.de/html/gallery.html

Thats a nice setup you have there,

that could be nice for an Interdictor I goess, but no ISD

I hope the Imperials get a Dreadnaught-class heavy cruiser should be more powerfull than the tantive and a bit bigger?

"A bit" is somewhat of an understatement. At 600 meters, a dreadnought is four times the size of a corvette.

AH my bad yeah that would be too much XD... I think im thinking of these other things (cone shaped nose, cilindrical mid and rectangular engines aft similar size to the reb corvette) cant for the life of me remember the name though or work out how to upload the pic i have

Oh, you mean the Correlian Gunships. Yeah, those would work scalewise. Little bit smaller than a Corvette, even.

Thank you. You are correct sir!

Well I think the key aspect they pointed out is that the ship feels important, that said would it be unthinkable to have them fiddle with the scale with the explanation that it off in the distance below where the main action is taking place?

Well I think the key aspect they pointed out is that the ship feels important, that said would it be unthinkable to have them fiddle with the scale with the explanation that it off in the distance below where the main action is taking place?

Then why have a model at all?

If the ship is that far off in the distance, then it would not effect the movement of the ships that we are playing and would act just the same as a nebula or planet printed on the game mat.

Sure you could have rules for it to move and shoot at the Rebel Scum, but if an ISD is that far off, it would not be concerned with the action going on on the other side of the planets orbit.

Thats what ISDs have fighters for.

Then why have a model at all?

Yeah this 'solution' comes up at least once each time this is discussed, and it's just as silly of an idea each time.

If the ISD was so far away that based on perspective it looks right, then it's too far away to be part of the fight, and has no place on the table in the first place. Because you shouldn't have to fly around it.

Based on what they've said they're going to do with the Escape from Hoth stuff, they already have something in place to deal with ISD's that are off the table, meaning there's no need for a model at all.

Ultimately, the ISD debate seems to boil down to scale. If you care about scale you don't want an ISD.

Ultimately, the ISD debate seems to boil down to scale. If you care about scale you don't want an ISD.

If scale does not matter, why not have a ISD that is smaller than the CR-90 than?

Ultimately, the ISD debate seems to boil down to scale. If you care about scale you don't want an ISD.

If scale does not matter, why not have a ISD that is smaller than the CR-90 than?

That seems to be the question that Star Trek attack wing has answered. Not only is the scale question based on personal opinion you'll get different answers within the group as to what is acceptable size.

For me 2x the length of the CR90 is fine. For others, I can already feel the hate burning into my soul for even saying that.

For me 2x the length of the CR90 is fine. For others, I can already feel the hate burning into my soul for even saying that.

I wouldn't go that far It's more like a bath warm hate.

My issue honestly is less with the size, and more with the amount of firepower a ISD has. You need at least 2-3 CR-90's and 1 or 2 Squads of fighters to be even a small threat to something that powerful.

Indeed, it isn't hate, I don't hate anyone here. We may have a different opinion, but that doesn't mean I hate you, I'm well beyond those games. But there is some frustration, would I love a ISD.. sure, but it doesn't work in this game. If FFG made an attack wing style game with ISDs and all the other ships in scale to each other, I think it would be better.. way more money than I need to spend anymore, but. oh well.. heck I'd buy a couple ISDs that were .. what.. 10 inches long.. scale the ships right and a CR90 is maybe 2 inches long to fit the scale.. 6 inch Victory class ships, 5 or 4 inch long Interdictors.. 9 inch long MonCal large ships.. that might be fun.. even some stands with 3 x wings or TIEs on them for adding fighter squads to the fight.. or.. play a game of X wing to solve the fighters part..

Just don't ask me to pretend a foot and a half long ISD is ok next to a foot long CR90.. I can suspend reality only so far...

For me 2x the length of the CR90 is fine. For others, I can already feel the hate burning into my soul for even saying that.

I wouldn't go that far It's more like a bath warm hate.

My issue honestly is less with the size, and more with the amount of firepower a ISD has. You need at least 2-3 CR-90's and 1 or 2 Squads of fighters to be even a small threat to something that powerful.

That's understandable. I just wouldn't get to the point of saying don't release it because the rules are too OP or underpowered because we won't know until we see them, if we ever see them. We have actual rules for wave 4 and people are losing their minds.

Nerd Note- The ISD was actually a pretty inefficient design. It could never bring all its weapons to bear on one ship. So taking a smaller ship like the CR90 against an ISD means that at most only half the guns could fire on it if the the CR90 was above or below.

Really not an issue, nor inefficient when you take into consideration of how many gun batteries it really has..

ALso, in space combat a ship can be anywhere, I think the ISD was a very good design by that logic, it can bring guns to bare on any plane in the fight.. that makes a difference, and can fire at multiple targets..

Really not an issue, nor inefficient when you take into consideration of how many gun batteries it really has..

ALso, in space combat a ship can be anywhere, I think the ISD was a very good design by that logic, it can bring guns to bare on any plane in the fight.. that makes a difference, and can fire at multiple targets..

I was just pointing to that with 120 guns (60 Ion, 60 turbo), it could never bring more than 60 to bear on a target. All they had to do with the design to make all the guns shoot at the same target would be to raise the guns further back. I know that the ISD was designed the way it was for aesthetics (dang movies getting in the way of efficient nerd designs).

That seems to be the question that Star Trek attack wing has answered. Not only is the scale question based on personal opinion you'll get different answers within the group as to what is acceptable size.

For me 2x the length of the CR90 is fine. For others, I can already feel the hate burning into my soul for even saying that.

If you are feeling any 'hate' it is certainly not coming from me. I said it before in this thread and I'll say it again; I am not trying to dismiss your opinion or be rude in any way. My only goal posting is to discuss, as respectable adults, the merits and practicality of the inclusion of ISDs in XWMG.

This point is not mearly about the scale of the ships, it the actual use of these models. A ISD is too awesome, too powerful, and too big to be reduced to somthing so miniscule.

For me 2x the length of the CR90 is fine. For others, I can already feel the hate burning into my soul for even saying that.

I wouldn't go that far It's more like a bath warm hate.

My issue honestly is less with the size, and more with the amount of firepower a ISD has. You need at least 2-3 CR-90's and 1 or 2 Squads of fighters to be even a small threat to something that powerful.

Vanor got the sarcasm. I promise to not use the term hate anymore. I hate the term hate...wait...

in a flat design you can never have all guns on one target, only in a round cylinder shape can you achieve that..

the efficient design of the ISD is that it can bring the fight to all sides, if there is an enemy above and below they can shoot it, and double the coverage on a target ahead of it if they want to destroy it. look how handily it to out the Tantive IV... the ISD could have easily destroyed that ship had that been the objective..

The ISD is a nice way to get in the middle of your enemies and start doing damage..