Double EPTs

By Khyros, in X-Wing

Prototype Veteran: Why is it only A-Wing

The card is supposed to improve A-Wings. No other ships.

and why do you only need to have a PS greater than 1

Prototype with the upgrade might be too cheap for what it can do.

Enhanced Scopes: Why isn't this specifically directed at Arvel Crynys who's single biggest problem is that for movement is PS isn't 0. That would very easily and dramatically change him.

Only the game designers can answer the question "why". Thee card is obviously intended to help other ships. Not any A-Wing.

Or potentially, for all we know, the flipped down card uses the missile slot to give the A wing a Sensor upgrade slot. Though I would say it'd be odd to only include one of those and two of everything else. Although, looking through it, there's two of EVERYTHING except the two uniques. Perhaps it's a unique "missile" that provides a systems upgrade slot, kinda like the R2-D6 droid?

The DTF + Determination combo isn't all that bad assuming you know you're pulling a Pilot card. That's just two points to negate a large number of crits from surrounding ships.

The DTF + Determination combo isn't all that bad assuming you know you're pulling a Pilot card. That's just two points to negate a large number of crits from surrounding ships.

Herm... I don't think that would work. If you look at the text of the two cards:

" When you are dealt a faceup Damage card with the Pilot trait, discard it immediately without resolving its effect."

When a friendly ship at Range 1 is hit by an attack, you may suffer 1 of the uncanceled transparent.png results instead of the target ship.

the order of operations should go something like:

Attack dice rolled + modified

Defense dice rolled + modified

Attack dice cancelled, crit remains

Defender is hit (loses stealth device)

Defender is dealt cards

DTF kicks in and allows the other ship to SUFFER the effects of the uncanceled crit

Ergo, the defender is the one that draws the cards, and the DTF player just suffers the effects. And as such, is not dealt the pilot card to throw the card out. Sorry =/

Not quite correct. In Step 4 of your example, determining if the defender is "hit" or not includes determining which die results are uncanceled. DTF kicks in immediately at that point, since its wording says that it triggers when "a friendly ship is hit by an attack," and you have to make your decision of whether or not to DTF on an uncanceled crit before any cards are dealt, faceup or otherwise.

The DTF + Determination combo isn't all that bad assuming you know you're pulling a Pilot card. That's just two points to negate a large number of crits from surrounding ships.

Herm... I don't think that would work.

It certainly does not.

and you have to make your decision of whether or not to DTF on an uncanceled crit before any cards are dealt

I concur.

Edited by dvor

Personally, I love the idea of adding an EPT slot (for a cost) to any ship in the game. It shouldn't break anything (as the aditional cost should off set that) and it would really open up the game to new combinations.

Edited by Stone37

The DTF + Determination combo isn't all that bad assuming you know you're pulling a Pilot card. That's just two points to negate a large number of crits from surrounding ships.

Herm... I don't think that would work. If you look at the text of the two cards:

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Ergo, the defender is the one that draws the cards, and the DTF player just suffers the effects. And as such, is not dealt the pilot card to throw the card out. Sorry =/

Looking more it works about half way. DTF will pull the crit result (which isn't a card yet) from one ship to another. It's only when you resolve the crit that you find out if you're getting a card and what that card will be.

1. DtF draws the crit but that is all it draws so you need to decide to use it or not before anything else is known.

2. The crit result "resolves" either by stripping off a shield or dealing a face up card.

3. Determination now could come into play and discard the inbound face-up card but if not it still eats it.

It would be an interesting combination but NOT on an A-Wing even if it has a Hull Upgrade as proposed when I first saw the suggestion. The A-Wing just can't afford to take those crits even if it gets to discard about half of them.

Now if you could put that combination on Chewbacca in his YT-1300 THEN it would be a bomb. Chewie has lots of hull to absorb hits and when it pulls the crit from another ship if it's a "pilot" Crit Determination could discard it immediately or his pilot ability can just turn it face down. A lot more likely to get to discard a few inbound cards when you could be wrong 8 times than you are when you may only need to be wrong once before getting destroyed.

Personally, I love the idea of adding an EPT slot (for a cost) to any ship in the game. It shouldn't break anything (as the aditional cost should off set that) and it would really open up the game to new combinations.

elite

I mean, I think we all want to live in a universe where we can put DTF, Determination, and R5-D8 on Chewbacca.

In this bizarro alternate reality, I play Rebels. Ergo, I know this bizarro alternate reality doesn't exist. ;)

Prototype Veteran: Why is it only A-Wing

The card is supposed to improve A-Wings. No other ships.

That is very circular. Yes I would agree that it only works for A-Wings because it is supposed to improve A-Wings only. I got that much.

But I think you missed the point of my question. Why would we think the designers wanted it to only improve A-Wings. Sorry I may not have worded that clearly. My point was there are other ships that people have bemoaned that this card could have improve.

Personally, I love the idea of adding an EPT slot (for a cost) to any ship in the game. It shouldn't break anything (as the aditional cost should off set that) and it would really open up the game to new combinations.

Thematically, I shudder at the idea of a rookie/academy pilot getting access to an elite pilot "anything". Personally, I'd love it if PS3 (4?) and lower never had access to elite features. They have a PS<5 for a reason... they are dumb grunts.

If adding an EPT slot to any ship cost 2, this would offset the discounted cost of a low PS ship. It would not, however, raise their PS. So something like an EPT modification would not make any sense on an Academy pilot, but would be helpful for A Tempest or Storm pilot.

Yeah. I don't understand the enhanced scopes thing either.

I assumed there would be an A-Wing title adding a ststems slot. They were known to have sensor jammers. Actually, it's always really bothered me that the B-Wing has the System slot and the A-Wing doesn't because in universe, the B had no special systems while the A specifically does.

Anyway, I saw Enhanced Scopes and thought, oh my gosh, they've done it, they gave the A a system and invented an upgrade that makes Arvel actually pretty decent...

And then I read.

We get that stupid Refit Card and the Scope is stuck on the B-Wing. What B-Wing even wants that garbage?