Its weird to see that you can have a deck with imperial guard + orks :/ Seens more legit Imperial guard + chaos or Tau, or Eldars :/ ... but i will wait for the rules

That is the alliances. Nothing to wait for.

I found the alliance wheel fairly interesting. Nothing struck me as totally out of the realm of possiblitly though (like a Space Marine/Chaos alliance).

I would have prefered that alliances where not fixed but something related to the commander.

This way the strange imperial-orks should have been avoided or the Space Marines would be able to ally themselves to chaos XD

Also, it makes room for more factions.

I don't know why everyone is focusing on the Imperial Guard - Orks alliance. Its in the lore that IG commanders have been known to bribe Orks into fighting for them by giving them Imperial equipment. It's also in the lore that Orks routinely loot Imperial equipment and employ it against their enemies. The alliance allows for both of those (quite likely) scenarios.

I mentioned this in another part of the forum, but I suppose it may bear repeating.

War makes strange bedfellows. It's not at all uncommon to team up to take out a bigger threat. Maybe you fight later, maybe you just have a cold war. Who knows.

But the U.S. and U.K. teaming up with the U.S.S.R. to fight the Nazi's in WWII is a perfect example of this sort of thing. There is no way that Roosevelt and Winston Churchill were all that excited about their ally Stalin...

I don't know why everyone brings up imperial guards/Orks. Really, only people who have the most basic understanding of WH40K lore would think that Imperial Guards/Orks wouldn't ally. I think the most unlikely alliances in the wheel are Chaos/Dark Eldar and Tau/Space Marines. Though, as long as you avoid Slaanesh worshippers the Dark Eldar/Chaos one isn't bad.

Kaic is totally right.

Both Bloodaxes and Freebooterz are known to work with the Imperium. This actually makes MORE sense than IG/Chaos, as IG who work with Chaos aren't IG any more: they're traitor regiments!

Tau / Space Marines doesn't make much sense in the context of the history of the factions, certainly, as if anything the Space Marines represent the most common foe for the Tau expansions so far. The original Tau book had the Imperial Fists warring in the Damocles Gulf, and the latest Tau fluff (from White Dwarf weekly) has the White Scars battling them. Historically, I don't think the Tau and Space Marines have ever allied. Still, its not a terrible match up, as you can imagine that they might find common cause against greater enemies, in the same way that Space Marines and Eldar have found common cause in the past.

Chaos / Dark Eldar is a lot weirder, when you look at what the Dark Eldar represent. Comorragh exists as it is because the Dark Eldar fear Chaos so much!

I'm not complaining too much though, in gameplay terms. I think the alignment wheel is far more elegant and actually far more rational than the insanely random Alliances chart in the current 40k rulebook, and its simplicity will far better serve this LCG. Also, I'm liking that Necrons and Tyranids aren't in there, as this opens their design space for deckbuilding and playing the game in different ways.

Tau and Ultramarines allied against the Necrons on Malbede and Marneus Calgar let them evacuate before using Exterminatus.

I really like this idea

I loved the VS system but alot of people had problems with some of the differnent heros and villians teaming up, now with this alliance wheel that will never happen

Cant wait for this game

Tau and Ultramarines allied against the Necrons on Malbede and Marneus Calgar let them evacuate before using Exterminatus.

Nice - I'd completely missed that one, but it looks as if its canonical as it gets (CSM and 5ed rulebook).

Still, a one-off alliance forced by an unexpected necron threat when the initial conflict was Tau vs Space Marines seems a thin justification for having the two factions be allies.

The Tau have still fought the Space Marines more often than most foes, and there's definitely little sense of shared purpose between them,

Can anyone find a reference to a chaos / dark eldar alliance?

Tau and Ultramarines allied against the Necrons on Malbede and Marneus Calgar let them evacuate before using Exterminatus.

Still, a one-off alliance forced by an unexpected necron threat when the initial conflict was Tau vs Space Marines seems a thin justification for having the two factions be allies.

The Tau have still fought the Space Marines more often than most foes, and there's definitely little sense of shared purpose between them,

Yeah, but remember, just because they are adjacent in the wheel, doesn't mean that they won't be fighting each other frequently. It just means you can ally them. It doesn't make them BFF.

I mean if you want to be really critical about it, you could say that no race really wants to ally to any other race. They'd all be much happier if they were the last ones left in the universe. Hell some of the different human groups don't even really like each other. Dark Angels and Space Wolves for example. Or Grey Knights and any other humans...

Anyway, the chaos/dark eldar probably is the weirdest from a fluff point of view in my opinion, but I'm not going to let it ruin the game for me. I mean really the only group in the wheel that I can think of allying with Chaos would be Orks, and that's because they don't really care who they fight for/against.

Ultimately, what I care about is if this is a good LCG or not. I'm personally ok with letting the fluff go a little out the window if the game is good. I mean, it's not like GW hasn't retconned some of their stuff themselves. They change it to fit whatever they have in mind, so since they don't even seem to hold the history in too high a regard, I'm not going to get too bent out of shape if FFG makes some minor modifications to make a good game.

I mean, it's not like GW hasn't retconned some of their stuff themselves.

THERE ARE NO SQUATS! WHO HAVE YOU BEEN SPEAKING TO?

I think Mechabri-zilla has it right. I think people are taking the word "Alliance" and thinking it means that they are drinking tea and eating pastries together hand in hand. I think the alliance system in this game has a better word for it and that is "allies of convenience".

Scenario. Space Marines and Tau are standing on a ridge and there is a giant chaos demon going ape **** on everyone. I cant see the space marines looking over at the tau and saying "yeah, F you guys" and creating 2 enemies.

Off the top of my head, I remember a Dark Eldar/Chaos alliance on the book Shadow Point, with Abaddon The Despoiler, no less. There is another one on Nocturne, the third book of the Salamanders Tome Of Fire Trilogy.

Actually, the Imperium of Man and the Tau Empire, in the 'current timeframe' of the fluff, have actually agreed to a ceasefire and are fighting together to push back the 13th Black Crusade.

Tau and Ultramarines allied against the Necrons on Malbede and Marneus Calgar let them evacuate before using Exterminatus.

Nice - I'd completely missed that one, but it looks as if its canonical as it gets (CSM and 5ed rulebook).

Still, a one-off alliance forced by an unexpected necron threat when the initial conflict was Tau vs Space Marines seems a thin justification for having the two factions be allies.

The Tau have still fought the Space Marines more often than most foes, and there's definitely little sense of shared purpose between them,

Can anyone find a reference to a chaos / dark eldar alliance?

Actually in the original Dark Eldar fluff, the DE were Eldar who actually served Slaanesh, but they retconned that in their newest codex.

I find the Eldar/Dark Eldar alliance to be the most odd.

I find the Eldar/Dark Eldar alliance to be the most odd.

I don't know why. It's in the lore and codexes and novels. They are the same species after all.

I find the Eldar/Dark Eldar alliance to be the most odd.

I don't know why. It's in the lore and codexes and novels. They are the same species after all.

I don't know what it's like in modern 40k, but back when I played they wouldn't fight together without a **** good reason.

Now they're apparently Battle-Brothers in the new Allies rules. Go figure.

Yea I haven't played in a long, long time but when I did they did not get along very well.

The tabletop ally rules are strange indeed if they allow so much close interaction between them. Same species they might be, but they detest each other. Craftworld eldar and exodites know who is responsible for the fall of their race and the birth of Slaanesh. They'd rather hang around with the mon'keigh than their depraved cousins. They also know that they are prime material for dark eldar and their vampiric regeneration needs.

You guys should read the novel Valedor.

I mean, it's not like GW hasn't retconned some of their stuff themselves.

THERE ARE NO SQUATS! WHO HAVE YOU BEEN SPEAKING TO?

Squats are mentioned in the 7th Edition 40k Rulebook

Squats are mentioned in the 7th Edition 40k Rulebook

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