Proton Rockets.

I like having Vader in my list to partner a bomber. Squad leader passing to a bomber is awesome. Vader/advanced should get something close to the refit card though.

I like having Vader in my list to partner a bomber. Squad leader passing to a bomber is awesome. Vader/advanced should get something close to the refit card though.

This is my point. The Advanced has its roll. Currently, it is hard to place it in another role because of two deficiencies:

1st: Vader is the only named pilot that has a clear use and advantage. Stele has a cool ability, but Marksmanship is the only EPT that seems to take advantage of it and it doesn't work as well as it does with Luke.

2nd: There are no common pilots with EPT slots. This is a serious issue. If Storm was 23 pts and had an EPT slot, I'd have some uses for it.

The platform is there. It is tougher than an A-wing, more agile than an X-wing, and can carry a missile. It just needs some attention in the form of upgrades and pilots that will take advantage of the ship. I felt the same way about Interceptors until recently. The Aces have elevated the Interceptor to the versatile, hard hitting ship it always should have been.

just sayin i think advanced are good i have a good list

marek stelee clsuter missiles

2x Ps4 tie advanced cluster missiles and swarm tactics

1 Obsidian Squadron

100 points list that hit the enemy pretty hard

But, as with the earlier Advanced list, this is a list that gets far better when you substitute TIE Bombers for TIE Advanced. Jonus/Gamma/Gamma is 15 points cheaper, or 20 if you drop the unnecessary PS bids out of the list, and Jonus' support means the Cluster Missiles will be dramatically more effective.

What's a Tie Avenger look like? An Advanced with bits cut out to look like Interceptor? There seem to be contradictory pictures.

The first is the tie advancedx1 which we have. Then there is the tie advancedx2 which has fins on the wings. And design wise is just a system upgrade. Then there is the tie advancex3 aka the avenger which is the current tie advanced model with the curved wings but pointed like the interceptor wings. Then came the tie interceptor.

Personally I'd like a new prototype pack With two miniatures. A repainted tie advanced and a new tie avenger model.

Inside the pack we get a new modification card called tie advanced x2 which increases the range of missiles by 1. Then we get a title card called prototype pilot that gives the advance the system upgrade slot for free. Then we get the tie avenger pilots with 3/3/3/2 stats . Focus, barrel roll, evade

This makes the advanced a precision missle platform in game which is what it was designed for and makes the avenger a basic no frills durable fighter losing the missle slot and target lock for a primary atk increase. It's not as evasive as the interceptor but has shields instead. And the defender is a 3/3/3/3 ship that takes the best of every prototype at a increased cost.

I have a feeling marek stele is going to be the ideal platform to use the new proton rocket missles. Which I feel is going to give a large amount (5 atk) face up damage cards to the defender (defender doubles his defense dice roll) Allowing him to pick and choose which damage cards to give you.

And personally id love to see vadar w sensor jammer and a stealth device.

I like having Vader in my list to partner a bomber. Squad leader passing to a bomber is awesome. Vader/advanced should get something close to the refit card though.

This is my point. The Advanced has its roll. Currently, it is hard to place it in another role because of two deficiencies:

1st: Vader is the only named pilot that has a clear use and advantage. Stele has a cool ability, but Marksmanship is the only EPT that seems to take advantage of it and it doesn't work as well as it does with Luke.

2nd: There are no common pilots with EPT slots. This is a serious issue. If Storm was 23 pts and had an EPT slot, I'd have some uses for it.

The platform is there. It is tougher than an A-wing, more agile than an X-wing, and can carry a missile. It just needs some attention in the form of upgrades and pilots that will take advantage of the ship. I felt the same way about Interceptors until recently. The Aces have elevated the Interceptor to the versatile, hard hitting ship it always should have been.

I dunno if a missing EPT slot in the generics describes the problem so much as the combination of cost and flexibility.

A TIE Advanced upgrade card like the Chardaan Refit that I'd like to see? Cost: 0, occupies missile slot (as with Chardaan), reduces cost by 1 point (rather than 2), adds a 'system upgrade' icon.

That would work pretty well to balance it, IMHO.

A few cheaper pilots, generic or named and a modification that allows system upgrades would work as well and not seem like a clone of Chardaan.

Or give it access to cannon through a modification.

I just had a fun game with Vader & Maarek + Academies vs a BBYY quad and I won with both of them almost unscreatched!^^

I had more luck with the rolling, though.

Wow, I thought we had beat this topic to death.

This all I will say on the topic.

VADER IS AWESOME, I'm okay if the Tempest Pilot is underused.

Yes Vader is awesome - its his ship that sucks

Barrel Roll is arguably the strongest action in the game, and you win ties for initiative. The TIE Advanced may only get 2 attack dice, but it is going to get more and better shots than a comparable X-wing.

It is actually a fantastic ship which is somewhat handicapped in tournament play by the time constraints.

Yes Vader is awesome - its his ship that sucks

In this game, the ship is the character, so if Vader is awesome, so is the Advanced.. why dont people see that... it's not like you can pop them into another ship...

Yes Vader is awesome - its his ship that sucks

In this game, the ship is the character, so if Vader is awesome, so is the Advanced.. why dont people see that... it's not like you can pop them into another ship...

Because a Tempest Squadron Pilot is an Advanced too, and is dramatically overpriced.

Vader's ability is good enough to make up for what is an otherwise poor ship. But that doesn't mean that the ship as a whole - meaning the group of all pilots who fly TIE Advanced - is good.

I just had a fun game with Vader & Maarek + Academies vs a BBYY quad and I won with both of them almost unscreatched!^^

I had more luck with the rolling, though.

Did you use any House Rules for that?

I say we take the mission thingy in the Imperial Aces pack, those 6 funky stuff for the prototype, stuff all 6 onto the TIEadv at once, and jack it up to 60++ points.

You now have a 4/4/6/2 ship that always pumps out crits, can attack twice, immune to secondary weapons.

Ok, maybe not all 6 at once, but maybe 2 at the same time should fix it

I'm not convinced about Daredevil on Tycho. The turn on DD is a RED maneuver, and Tycho tends to accumulate stress tokens so he can't perform red maneuvers. Generally that isn't a problem because the only red on an A-Wing is the K-Turn, so you just remember that he can't K turn. Not a problem since he is so maneuverable anyway. But then give him DD, after a few PtLs he is basically permanently stressed but in your head your just used to him only not doing K-turns, then you use Daredevil and suddenly your opponent is setting your maneuver dial.

Not good.

With keeping the stress, they may as well have kept it a Red maneuver..

With keeping the stress, they may as well have kept it a Red maneuver..

It was errata'ed because just executing a maneuver doesn't trigger a stress check - it's a separate step of the activation phase, not an explicit response to a maneuver. So it could be red, green, or purple - same end result, no stress.

Ahh.. I see, yeah makes sense.. but still stupid in my book, a white maneuver isn't stress inducing.. so that;s why I said 'keep it red'

The problem with just leaving it red is that it would cause a lot of confusion. That particular bit of timing is a very fine detail that few people even considered, and even fewer thought was actually correct. If you left it red and added the "Then gain 1 stress token", you'd have a great many players thinking you got two stress for your troubles.

Yes Vader is awesome - its his ship that sucks

In this game, the ship is the character, so if Vader is awesome, so is the Advanced.. why dont people see that... it's not like you can pop them into another ship...

Are you being serious? I can't tell.

Just because Vader is good doesn't mean the TIE Advanced is good. Let's be real here.

in 2 on 2 with X wings, my advanced ships take them every time.. and that isn't named pilots either. Just been my experiance..

My biggest problem with the TIE advanced is the Firespray:

Tempest and Storm Squadron pilots are 21 and 23 points respectively.

A Bounty Hunter, at 33 points, has an almost identical dial, a rear weapons arc, better guns, and twice the shields for ten points more, and unlike most 'tank' ships, it still has two defence dice (admittedly not three) and the ability to evade.

Tempests with Cluster Missiles are nice but suffer from the standard low-pilot-skill-getting-target-lock problem - of course, clusters are 'knife fighting' weapons, so I guess if I was flying them I'd say bugger trying to launch them turn 1 - speed in at speed 5 and evade, and try and target lock once you're in a furball.

Yes Vader is awesome - its his ship that sucks

In this game, the ship is the character, so if Vader is awesome, so is the Advanced.. why dont people see that... it's not like you can pop them into another ship...

Yes Vader is awesome - its his ship that sucks

In this game, the ship is the character, so if Vader is awesome, so is the Advanced.. why dont people see that... it's not like you can pop them into another ship...

If you want to play that route then technically vadar is flying the advanced x1, which is a completely seperate ship then the rest of the pack, which are only labeled advanced. So the thread still remains and the advanced is fairly worthless. Even if you look at the store championship thread a non vadar advanced is never used.

seems to fit the source material, all is well <ducks for cover>