Weird.

Not mentioning wave 4, we have:

Rebel Transport + X-Wing with X-Wing pilot(s)

Tantive IV + X-Wing with X-Wing Pilot(s)

and now Rebel Aces with A-Wing Pilots + B-Wing Pilots.

Vs.

Imperial Aces with Tie Intercepter pilots.

Seem a bit off balance to anyone else? I mean, it's cool that they are releasing announcing lots of new stuff, but... I wouldn't mind some more Imperial stuff... even if it is just more pilots for the Imperial ships we already have.

The Tantive IV doesn't come with an X-Wing or any X-Wing pilot cards. Only the Transport does.

[edit] Beaten by seconds.

So does anyone think, since this comes in quarter three, that this is a pre-emptive attempt to balance a meta that may shift heavily toward the TIE Phantom once Wave 4 is released?

1. They included the b-wing maybe to give it more options and push the meta away from Adv sensors / B-wing that we have seen everywhere? Does that seem logoical to anyone else?

I've got to say "no". Giving what is possibly the best ship in the game the best ability in the game is not a way to reduce the use of said ship. Nothing logical about that at all.

He didn't say reduce the use of that ship, he said give it more options so it isn't always the same build, making it so there are just ad many b-wings out there but they are different configurations.

Do you see something that would replace Advanced Sensors on any B-wing, Farlander included?

this stress shredding from the rebels is to Overpowered

rebel captive is now useless hurraaaaay

and kath scarlets if u dodge her crit u get a stress is also useless double yay !!!

again... are **************** KIDDING MEEEE ???!!

this stress shredding from the rebels is to Overpowered

rebel captive is now useless hurraaaaay

and kath scarlets if u dodge her crit u get a stress is also useless double yay !!!

again... are **************** KIDDING MEEEE ???!!

I think the new stuff is overdone too, but please... you're embarrassing Imperial pilots everywhere.

Yes, I'm concerned about the power level. Yes, I'm concerned about what looks like an imbalance in the goodies that the two factions are getting at the moment. No, I don't have any idea what FFG was thinking when they took Fel's ability, improved it, and slapped it on a B-wing.

But acting like a pre-teen troll who just slammed too many Monsters on a dare isn't going to convince anyone of anything.

So, am I processing this right?

Farlander with advanced sensors gains a TL then performs a red maneuver for a stress and then can drop advanced proton torps, potentially with opportunist for 5-6 basically guaranteed hits and end the turn with no stress, able to do it again next turn. Granted, that is crazy stupid amount of points in one ship, but still.

So does anyone think, since this comes in quarter three, that this is a pre-emptive attempt to balance a meta that may shift heavily toward the TIE Phantom once Wave 4 is released?

I would expect the shift, towards that and the Defender. There was a fun factor reason for TIE Fighter introducing all the new fighters that it did which is also why I would love to see them here. Once they are I would very much expect them to be common ships. Not that the Academy Pilot will ever go away. We need him.

I don't understand something? How is enhanced scopes good. You gain a PS=0 in the Activation phase. Which means you move first, not understanding how this can be a good thing?

I don't understand something? How is enhanced scopes good. You gain a PS=0 in the Activation phase. Which means you move first, not understanding how this can be a good thing?

You skill 7 B-Wing can block and get it's actions almost every time no matter what?

It's important to remember this expansion won't arrive until probably well after wave 4's release.

I could be wrong, but my guesses for wave 4 involve the standard B-wing running into some serious problems with ion pulse missiles and the Defender. Possibly the Phantom, too- although there's a whole lot about that ship we don't know yet.

Cards like the point decrease and double talent for A-wings feel like they're meant to keep the ship relevant, so that it isn't totally replaced by the Z-95 in the future- I feel like the B-wing cards are likely meant to compensate for weaknesses that haven't arrived yet, either.

That being said, Keyan Farlander looks totally absurd.

But acting like a pre-teen troll who just slammed too many Monsters on a dare isn't going to convince anyone of anything.

This so perfectly describes all of his posts.

As far as Kath/Rebel Captive, as someone who enjoys flying that particular combo, I actually think it may become more useful in a weird way. Here we have all these Rebels who are good at dealing with stress, so they plan on repeatedly taking stressing maneuvers/actions of their own ...then Kath/Rebel Captive flies in and gives them 2-3 times as much stress as they were prepared to handle. Now instead of using their own stress to maximum effect, they have to hold off hoping to be able to correctly handle the stress you are giving them, therefore disrupting the plan behind selecting a stress-shedding pilot in the first place.

Holy crap

They've acknowledged that the A-Wing is overcosted

Could we see this for the Tie Advanced? Wait that is Empire. Whatz me thinking...

So, am I processing this right?

Farlander with advanced sensors gains a TL then performs a red maneuver for a stress and then can drop advanced proton torps, potentially with opportunist for 5-6 basically guaranteed hits and end the turn with no stress, able to do it again next turn. Granted, that is crazy stupid amount of points in one ship, but still.

Or he does any maneuver he wants, uses PTL to Lock and then either barrrel roll or focus, if he's lucky putting him out of arc and effectively with two focus to spend.

The only thing he falls short of Fel on is that he can't spend the second focus defensively. From there it's differences in the ships.

Finally the rebels get something .

So, am I processing this right?

Farlander with advanced sensors gains a TL then performs a red maneuver for a stress and then can drop advanced proton torps, potentially with opportunist for 5-6 basically guaranteed hits and end the turn with no stress, able to do it again next turn. Granted, that is crazy stupid amount of points in one ship, but still.

PTL & Advanced gives you something similar:

(Ten or Ibtisam) TL + Focus + green maneuver = APT o'doom with no stress (plus the option to save the focus for defense)

(Farlander) TL + red maneuver = APT o'doom with no stress (unless he doesn't have a shot, after all)

It's sort of like he has PTL, but only for offensive focus. What it really does is let him always have full dial flexibility, provided he's able to shoot at something.

Again, I don't think it's game-breaking.

I do want to say, the -2 point refit is a BRILLIANT way for them to adjust a ships point cost without the confusion and hassle of errata that everyone might not have or be aware of. Something like this for the advanced would be great.

That it takes up a missile slot is really weird though.

It's important to remember this expansion won't arrive until probably well after wave 4's release.

I could be wrong, but my guesses for wave 4 involve the standard B-wing running into some serious problems with ion pulse missiles and the Defender. Possibly the Phantom, too- although there's a whole lot about that ship we don't know yet.

Cards like the point decrease and double talent for A-wings feel like they're meant to keep the ship relevant, so that it isn't totally replaced by the Z-95 in the future- I feel like the B-wing cards are likely meant to compensate for weaknesses that haven't arrived yet, either.

+1

Finally the rebels get something .

Uhm... seriously?

Or are we pretending all the new X-wings, and Astromechs, and missiles, and massive stress-inducing capabilities in the transport weren't that good?

Outside of Jax, none of the Aces are all that dominant. There's certainly some nice, but do you really want to stack Cowall up against Farlander and see which ends up on top?

I don't understand something? How is enhanced scopes good. You gain a PS=0 in the Activation phase. Which means you move first, not understanding how this can be a good thing?

You skill 7 B-Wing can block and get it's actions almost every time no matter what?

Got it!!!

Finally the rebels get something .

Uhm... seriously?

Seriously. TIE swarms are still better than anything the Rebels get.

So, am I processing this right?

Farlander with advanced sensors gains a TL then performs a red maneuver for a stress and then can drop advanced proton torps, potentially with opportunist for 5-6 basically guaranteed hits and end the turn with no stress, able to do it again next turn. Granted, that is crazy stupid amount of points in one ship, but still.

It would depend on when you lose the stress for his ability and gain the stress for Opportunist. You would still have a stress at the start of the turn as his ability only removes one.

Edit: Kyle looks like "After you remove a stress token from your ship, you may assign a focus token to ........."

It would depend on when you lose the stress for his ability and gain the stress for Opportunist. You would still have a stress at the start of the turn as his ability only removes one.

You gain the stress before Step 2, and spend token to modify in Step 3. So Farlander can use Opportunist, gain the stress and the extra die, then spend that stress on the same attack.

The only limiter there is that he's relatively high PS, which means targets have a good chance of not being vulnerable to Opportunist.

There is no denying that Keyan is amazing. But I don't see why it causes such a whoa is me type reaction. I really think some of the Interceptors are being taken a bit for granted. He is still an expensive pilot with a big target on him.

It would depend on when you lose the stress for his ability and gain the stress for Opportunist. You would still have a stress at the start of the turn as his ability only removes one.

You gain the stress before Step 2, and spend token to modify in Step 3. So Farlander can use Opportunist, gain the stress and the extra die, then spend that stress on the same attack.

The only limiter there is that he's relatively high PS, which means targets have a good chance of not being vulnerable to Opportunist.

Given that there are Crewmen in this set, and that no set thus far has been unable to use an upgrade that came with it, there's a strong possibility that B-Wings can get Crew now.

Farlander could Opportunist with Gunner... and use the Opportunist effect both times. And emerge unstressed.

Prototype veteran + Opportunist + Expose + Stealth Device + Chardaan refit = 9 points.

Throw Jan Ors in there, and you've got A-wings dropping 6 dice attacks at range 1.

*joygasm*

It would depend on when you lose the stress for his ability and gain the stress for Opportunist. You would still have a stress at the start of the turn as his ability only removes one.

You gain the stress before Step 2, and spend token to modify in Step 3. So Farlander can use Opportunist, gain the stress and the extra die, then spend that stress on the same attack.

The only limiter there is that he's relatively high PS, which means targets have a good chance of not being vulnerable to Opportunist.

I was referring to Forgottenlore's example of doing a red move first. He would be stressed. Then he attacks. Would he lose the stress from the red move and then gain one from Opportunist or would he not be able to use Opportunist.