Does Lorrir's banked barrel roll require him to gain the stress in order to perform it? (Similar to soontir's ability to get a focus when stressed?) namely, can I use captain Yorr to soak up the stress and still allow Lorrir to do his crazy barrel roll or is it contingent on getting the stress? Just wanted to be sure, thanks!
Question about Lorrir's stressful bank
Good question, I'm not 100% sure, but it's a possibility. I'll have to reread his ability and figure that out.. it's all in the wording.
When performing a barrel roll action, you may receive 1 stress token to use the 1 
or 
template instead of the 1 
template
When you actually read the wording and take it for what it says, it would appear that you cannot use Yorr.
Lorrir performs a barrel roll action.
Lorrir receives a stress to allow him to use the bank template
<INTERRUPT> Yorr takes the stress instead of Lorrir.
Lorrir never received stress
Lorrir cannot use the bank template.
Edited by Khyros"You may gain 1 stress token to use the ..."
So, it's like Fel. He's gotta take the stress.
Yup, all in how it's worded..
Concur. We weren't sure on this one for a while, but had an email shared recently that said Opportunist only gets the effect if the ship actually gains the stress. Same wording, same requirement.
Awesome thanks for the clarification everyone!
To beat the horse dead, I agree. The way they use that wording seems to be "if you don't complete the first part, you don't get the second part." No stress, no funky barrel roll. If it was worded in such a way that he executes the roll, then takes a stress, I would say yes, but it's not.
On a side note this really dissapoints me as Yorr's stress relieving ability is pretty much just limited to Push and K turns for the most part. Here I was thinking his ability would actually be worthy of fielding but after all the limitations I am just not looking to field him anymore.
Yorr's ability says that when another ship would receive a stress token he may receive it instead and lorrir card say you may receive 1 stress token to use the curved 1 template, why couldn't Yorr use his ability to take the stress token, both are receiving a stress token, the wording isint dissimilar, Yorr should be able to receive the stress token as the words on the cards override intial game rules
the card for Lorrir dosnt see you need to keep the stress token on him, just that he would receive the stress token to use it, so when he goes to receive the stress token, Yorr picks it up instead but Lorrir still took the process of taking a stress token, it was just transferred
anyone saying that opportunist and Lorrir need to keep the stress token on them is ADDING WORDS TO THE CARD, all it says is he needs to receive it, not that he must maintain it without transferring it
it even use's the wording MAY receive, so he might receive it, although there is possibilities to make sure he dosnt
Edited by Ghost VaderTo beat the horse dead, I agree. The way they use that wording seems to be "if you don't complete the first part, you don't get the second part." No stress, no funky barrel roll. If it was worded in such a way that he executes the roll, then takes a stress, I would say yes, but it's not.
if that is the argument again you are adding words, if you don't complete the first part you don't get the second part, transferring the stress token is not, not completing the first part, its completing it then taking an extra step, I don't know why this bugs me so much but it does, adding words dosnt make it right, the wording is how it is there is no reason you couldn't take advantage of Yorr and Lorrir
Dude they already ruled, if the stress doesn't make it to you, you don't get the effect.
Period.
who ruled? FFG or ppl who have lived on the forums for years, don't add words to the cards, regardless it says what it says your additional wording of has to complete one and two with no variations doesn't fly, maybe in your own tournament but in the larger scheme its a ridiculous interpretations that doesn't follow the words on the cards, sorry ruling is wrong, it can happen
Actually READ Yorr before you jump in here.
"When... WOULD receive... you may receive INSTEAD."
At no time would Lorrir ever receive the stress to trigger the effect. Yorr gets it INSTEAD.
Lorrir card says you may receive (not get, receive)... yorr says when another ship at 1 - 2 would recieve
Edited by Ghost VaderExactly. Yorr stops him from ever RECEIVING the stress.
Yorr takes it INSTEAD.
so the process was still followed on the cards, there is nothing on lorrirs that says its conditional on him receiving it, just that he may receive it to perform, then it is transferred due to yorrs ability, he still took the process of receiving it, it doesn't cancel out the process of him getting the stress otherwise there would be nothing for yorr to collect, that would mean yorr takes the stress for no reason and lorrir cant do anything, makes no sense, just cause yorr received it doesn't cancel lorrir taking it
its all happens at once, its not 1 then 2 then 3
who ruled? FFG or ppl who have lived on the forums for years,
If you had actually read this thread and clicked on Buhallin's link in post #9 you would know the answer to that.
well so he says he got the response from FFG id need to see that in an officially released FAQ because that is adding words and regulations, it makes space combat into a process of doing 1 then the next guy does this, it all happens at once that what the game is trying to simulate. FFG has corrected itself after saying one thing on one faq then releasing a second
im not trying to offend people im just sitting hear in my ethics of mental health class reading over my new imperial aces pack and its driving me crazy, I am planning to use this ability this weekend at a tournament
Edited by Ghost VaderIncidentally, if clicking on a link is too much trouble for you, here is a copy of the post in question
For what it's worth, I asked about it and this is what I got:
"Elusiveness and Opportunist both require the stress to be received by the ship activating the ability in order to trigger its effect. Although not very useful, a ship could trigger Elusiveness when defending, Yorr could pull the stress away, but then Elusiveness’s effect wouldn’t trigger. (There is no practical use for this, but that is how it would resolve)."
Straight from the rules guys at FFG. Glad to finally have a solid answer. If anybody else posted an answer from FFG somewhere, I couldn't find it.
In other words, someone asked FFG about this issue in regards to opportunist and elusiveness (same wording as Lorrir), and got an official answer.
Ridiculous what a waste, I read that little blurb doesn't mean anything, FFG can make mistakes believe it or not, what a broken ability
Edited by Ghost VaderRidiculous what a waste, I read that little blurb doesn't mean anything, FFG can make mistakes believe it or not, what a broken ability
I think you'll find that most of us are quite aware of FFG's ability to make mistakes.
As for the rest... Wow. Way to enter with a splash.