Haha my players have taken an hour or more to pick combinations before. Personally I think it's OK as they will be stuck with the sand heroes for easily 20+ hours of game play, I would much rather they take long to pick a group they enjoy to play than to pick quickly and sit through hours of regret in a hero they do not enjoy to play.

Very good call. Depending on who's playing, we go down the random path of character selection as it players want to try out new characters with other players too. This never quite works out ideally, but hey, if you're going on an adventure of 9-11 quests, then you want to make sure everyone is happy. The same goes for the lieutenant selection too to a lesser extent.

I feel all the roles require their own strategy. Healers have tons of options, as do wizards and fighters in terms of the style they want to play. Granted, some disciplines take more skill to master than others. (For instance, Wildlander is easier to use than Treasure Hunter, because a Wildlander starts off with a stronger skillset.) However, anyone knowing what they are doing can really abuse the advantages each discipline has while covering up the weaknesses that might be apparent.

As an OL, preying upon these weaknesses is how you can trounce the heroes, even if the heroes might seem too powerful. Adjusting your strategy to how the heroes are developing is the challenge there.

There is a lot of strategy and tactics in Descent 2e. I think the big mistake a lot of people make when getting into this game is they think its "DnD The Board Game" when it is in fact more like an updated and vastly superior version of HeroQuest.

Keep in mind we only had LotW (I think that's what it was called) and base set. We didn't have every expansion and I'm glad for other reasons! I think he only plans buying the smaller expansions anyway. So from the looks of it we might have LotW, Trollfens, and the new Manor something something. That's more rumor cards and should add change things some. I think we all agree we don't want another campaign. We don't want to get used to a new one the game will just drag more if we do.

Yeah, i decided to give the game another shot based on what some of you said I'll try scout. My friends playing it this weekend. Someone said pick a hero ahead of time but we just aren't that familiar to do that yet.

Another mini expansion announced.

The production rythm is crazy.

In my case, it is killing my desire of continuing with the system.

Another mini expansion announced.

The production rythm is crazy.

In my case, it is killing my desire of continuing with the system.

Nobody is forcing you to buy it, relax bro. It's going to be months before it is out. If you don't want it, don't get it.

Another mini expansion announced.

The production rythm is crazy.

In my case, it is killing my desire of continuing with the system.

Nobody is forcing you to buy it, relax bro. It's going to be months before it is out. If you don't want it, don't get it.

I am relax, don't worry.

Two expansions a year isn't a lot IMO, in the UK that's say £33 for SoN as it currently is on Amazon and small box are like £15 say you round that up to £50 say you play not that much (your not getting your full worth out of it and you finish a campaign once every 4 months and buy a new lieutenant for each campaign that is now 3 x £10 on average some I bought are £6 others £13 so very rough numbers you would be spending £80 a year for a game you would be playing 30-40 times that year that's £2 a play (in a 5p game that's 40p each). In this case its also worth noting the players would have to replay that years big box expansion three times because they only release one a year. By this quick view this personally would persuade me there isn't fast enough releases particularly the big boxes. If you don't want to play it that often resist the collector in you and don't buy it.

three final points

1. I own it all because I am a collector as well as a gamer,for collectors who are short on cash and play less than once a month this isn't a great game. For players its a lot of fun and very economical as per above.

2. FFG shot themselves in the foot when the released particularly LoR lieutenants late as it meant there is now 8 lieutenants being released in the same month, if they keep to what they said as per releases this will be the last one of these

3 its a balancing act, if they release to much and enough people don't buy it they lose money. If they don't release enough people who play more than once a month will be forced to play the same campaign over and over again, making the game stale. Remember this isn't an RPG system we need NEW relatively balanced campaigns to make it work (which is a reason FFG need to put a player balance rating in the quest editor, and run some rewarded competitions for best quests etc to invigorate it and keep players interested.)

Another mini expansion announced.

The production rythm is crazy.

In my case, it is killing my desire of continuing with the system.

So don't buy any more. People who are completists seem to do a good job of making themselves angry. Either they came in too late to buy the earlier stuff at regular retail or got in too early and then feel compelled to shell out every time the latest and greatest arrives.

Buy what you want to play and play it. No reason to get upset about other stuff being out there.

Personnaly, I do love thoses often expansions !

The game is unlimited, always alive again with more stuff.

I only regret to have no werewolves, and so not "monster-heroes"

Personnaly, I do love thoses often expansions !

The game is unlimited, always alive again with more stuff.

I only regret to have no werewolves, and so not "monster-heroes"

I, too, think this is an area that they could improve on. Some non-human heroes would be great. I would love to see some creativity along this front. Ideally, a reptilian type humanoid, or a dragon hybrid similar to Belthir would be flat out awesome.

Another mini expansion announced.

The production rythm is crazy.

In my case, it is killing my desire of continuing with the system.

So don't buy any more. People who are completists seem to do a good job of making themselves angry. Either they came in too late to buy the earlier stuff at regular retail or got in too early and then feel compelled to shell out every time the latest and greatest arrives.

Buy what you want to play and play it. No reason to get upset about other stuff being out there.

Another mini expansion announced.

The production rythm is crazy.

In my case, it is killing my desire of continuing with the system.

So don't buy any more. People who are completists seem to do a good job of making themselves angry. Either they came in too late to buy the earlier stuff at regular retail or got in too early and then feel compelled to shell out every time the latest and greatest arrives.

Buy what you want to play and play it. No reason to get upset about other stuff being out there.

Of course. I simply expressed my personal opinion, reflecting my personal situation. Sorry that it led you to lecture me and try to attribute me emotions in a gratuitous and erroneous way. Get a life.

Woah. Chill out on the hostility.

It's weird that people say things like "if you don't want it, don't buy it, simple as that." Are you guys new to gaming/geek culture? Or culture in general?

That's not the way people typically operate. Yes, there are some people who just pick and choose, buy what they like and leave the rest alone. And some people - there are plenty of them here - buy everything, regardless of whether they'll ever use it. (FFG loves these people :-) But there are MANY people who want to be involved in the game, but feel that the pace of expansions (How many supplements to this game in q2 alone? Seven?) prevents them from doing so. I personally am in the first group - but let me tell you, it is an enormous effort of will to not be in the second group. I won't be buying Manor, but every time I'm on CoolStuffInc, I have to resist the temptation to throw another Lieutenant into my cart.

These are people who would be good for $50-60 a year, maybe $100 a year. But the pace turns them off and they stop buying stuff - and playing - entirely. It's happened to other games, Dominion being a HUGE example. Now, I guess - all things considered - that it's less work for FFG to sell 1k people $300 worth of stuff a year than to sell 3k people $100 worth of stuff a year. But it still doesn't seem like the best way to grow the brand. Still, looking at other FFG games, that seems to be their strategy - publish tons of games, drop the ones that fail, and use the ones that hit to suck as much money as possible as quickly as possible before people get bored.

Jesus, saying it like that, I'm tempted to cancel my order for Shadows :-) Still, despite all its flaws, I like Descent :-)

But the point is, by saying "Well just don't buy it" you show that you're entirely missing the point of what the original poster is saying. And if you've been at this for any time at all, WHY that's a problem should be pretty obvious.

The only problem I'm having is the lack of play between expansions, something I know a lot of people take issue with. I know Arkham Horror had an "expansion for expansions" late in life, but by the time that AH expansion came out we were already long out of the Arkham game. I'm sure something like that could happen with Descent eventually too. I'd like a reason to use these sweet city and mansion tiles once their campaigns are over and done. I'm way more into this gothic sort of stuff than I am the average goblin slaying.

Woah. Chill out on the hostility.

Sure.

Your turn now, dude.

It's weird that people say things like "if you don't want it, don't buy it, simple as that." Are you guys new to gaming/geek culture? Or culture in general?

That's not the way people typically operate. Yes, there are some people who just pick and choose, buy what they like and leave the rest alone. And some people - there are plenty of them here - buy everything, regardless of whether they'll ever use it. (FFG loves these people :-) But there are MANY people who want to be involved in the game, but feel that the pace of expansions (How many supplements to this game in q2 alone? Seven?) prevents them from doing so. I personally am in the first group - but let me tell you, it is an enormous effort of will to not be in the second group. I won't be buying Manor, but every time I'm on CoolStuffInc, I have to resist the temptation to throw another Lieutenant into my cart.

These are people who would be good for $50-60 a year, maybe $100 a year. But the pace turns them off and they stop buying stuff - and playing - entirely. It's happened to other games, Dominion being a HUGE example. Now, I guess - all things considered - that it's less work for FFG to sell 1k people $300 worth of stuff a year than to sell 3k people $100 worth of stuff a year. But it still doesn't seem like the best way to grow the brand. Still, looking at other FFG games, that seems to be their strategy - publish tons of games, drop the ones that fail, and use the ones that hit to suck as much money as possible as quickly as possible before people get bored.

Jesus, saying it like that, I'm tempted to cancel my order for Shadows :-) Still, despite all its flaws, I like Descent :-)

But the point is, by saying "Well just don't buy it" you show that you're entirely missing the point of what the original poster is saying. And if you've been at this for any time at all, WHY that's a problem should be pretty obvious.

Thanks for understanding.

Phew, it is nice to be able to discuss with opened minded people !

I have been a completist myself for other games, so I would have been in #1 choice for other games (and thus I more than respect your option).

I presently am also diversifying my gaming experience - adapting to my gaming buddies, who have different tastes.

I don't have enough money to be a completist in all the games I purchase (perhaps because I am married and have teenagers which do make life costly).

Another element that makes me pull the brakes for Descent, is the introduction of threat and other supplemental rules.

I may be have a wrong impression, but what seemed a light fantasy game is progressively growing in complexity and weight - the reason I did not go for D1.

Woah. Chill out on the hostility.

Sure.

Your turn now, dude.

Not sure what you mean. Nothing I said was personal. If you have some chip on your shoulder, take it out on somebody else.

If i was a noob new to buying the game i would feel a fair bit anxious about the sheer amount of expansions i would feel compelled to buy, might even be enough for me not to purchase the game in the first place.

You know, it's FFG, seeing the ammount of content they released and announced for Descent, it's pretty obvious it's a really good cash cow. It's inevitable really, we'll see loads of stuff. Myself, I'm glad, even thought the collectionist in me is crying rivers when I think of all the stuff I'm missing right now and it's just about to increase.

The one thing I've mentioned in other thread that is more fitting here: I just fish lieutenant packs would be campaign specific, as in a 4 pack for SoN containing all of 'em and (preferably) with a better price for the content ratio. It's a little bit silly how those might rival the price of the expansion itself really.

I do not know if You all noticed it but look at the proofs and codes of Descent line. There should be from DJ01 (base game) to DJ27 (H&MC: Crown Of Destiny) but it missed DJ06. What could be the mystiriuos DJ06? What's more the Manor Of Ravens Lieutenant - Skarn has a number DJ35. So look how many expansions are still in development? The unknown DJ06, then DJ28-DJ34. FFG is really hard at work with this title and there's a lot to come. This game will be supported for many years s it looks.

I can risk to say that this year we will get two small box expansions (Manor Of Ravens is one of them), lieutenets for those and maybe even another big box campain. For sure H&MC will still come so almost every month we will get something new - and that's a good news. Everybody will have a chance to find something for himself from this game.

Cheers

Beren

PS. Remember thet Forgotten Souls (co-op POD adventure) is also comming this year and it look like it will be not the only Co-op adventure for Descent. I'm happy with that.