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Assuming you flip the attack face down, what does it count as? Is it still a 3 difficulty attack? Or is it 0 printed difficulty attack now?

its not an attack after it flips so id say no

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought it'd previously been ruled that flipped attacks could go to momentum.

Well, Alex4's ability says outright that attacks flipped facedown won't go to momentum. Chop I'd say is in the same boat. Not an attack anymore, just a facedown card.

Tagrineth said:

So because something specifically states something, it is implied in something that doesn't specifically say something? Thats like saying that since No Memories can cancel a enhance ability played from a foundation that it also causes you to gain vitality equal to the foundations dificulty because chesters causes you to.

I don't entirely buy that. Infact I'd say that because alex specifically mentions going to momentum Chop is not in the same boat. Ontop of that since things like Lynets can remember that a card in play is still something even though it no longer counts as that something because its been flipped and changed into something else I would say that the game can recognize that the other side of the card is indeed Chop.

the thing about going to the momentum......... it has to be an attack........ at the end phase, the game checks what can happen to each card, attacks that deal damage during their damage step May go to the momentum. can you actually say the back side of chop is an attack? i believe its not.

Alex doesnt have to say they dont go to the momentum, they wouldnt anyway. a face down card does to my knowledge not retain any attribute from its other side.

Ziephnir said:

The rules don't specify face up or face down cards when going to momentum. A card is a card. It is not the face up or face down side of a card. When you find a way to move just the face up portion of a card to a zone, without the back and without marking the card please show me!

Secondly the game remembers, because Tagrineth says so, what a foundation was when it gets flipped over and considered a blank foundation. Why does the game suddently not remember something is a attack that dealt damage because it gets flipped over. No where in the rules, so far, does it state that cards that get flipped over are not remembered for what they were. No where in the rules does it state that attacks that deal damage and then get flipped over can not be added to momentum. Alex's ability infact implies that they can be added to ones momentum because it has to specifically state they do not.

No where in the old rules is it addressed, however hopefully, if they're ever released, the new rules will handle this situation.

One can hope.

Because the game state forgets that it was ever an attack to begin with. And at the End Phase, it checks for ATTACKS that dealt damage.

To the original question, now that the topic has been derailed again - it wouldn't work because the game state does not recognize it as an attack at all, much less one with any particular stats.

Um. It doesn't necessarily forget, actually.

I seem to recall a previous ruling about Come to the Aid, and one of Twelve's attack-copying foundations, where you end up playing a card face-down as a copy of an attack. Those can go to momentum.

So I can see it going either way. Maybe face-down cards have no attack type and don't remember, UNLESS an effect specifically says they are copies of other cards (in which case, they count as copies until the end of turn) or similarly that they simply are a given type of card (ala Ivy and You're Not My Father).

But it's unclear. And there's certainly nothing that says all face-down cards are typeless.

ARMed_PIrate said:

Big difference with CttA and Twelve's foundation is that they set the card facedown and then become played as an attack.

Chop is played as an attack and t hen flips facedown.

Then Lynette's should treat a face down foundation as having left the game.

This goes back to the old Alex support v. Ready for Anything question i asked =/

And I'd have to agree with Aslum. It doesn't really make sense why it still knows the card is in the opponent's staging area. Heck, with this logic, even after flipping it, if the opponent Billiard Player's the face-down out of play for something else, Lynette's would still copy it, since it was already a blank foundation that it wasn't getting any effect from. And the gamestate really doesn't have any way of keeping track of which facedown foundation is which, either =/

MegaGeese said:

the thing about lynettes is it copies the card in the staging area then only check to see if its still in play.

Which it isn't.

Sort of.

In fact...given that Lynette's continues to copy that card via this ruling, I would like to call the ruling reversal on Alluring Beauty v. Program Malfunction into question.

about Chop:

no longer an attack. this is detailed in the rules. (i know because i specifically OUTLINED the problem and that it should be addressed a week or two ago.)

the rules will touch on cards in the card pool, and facedowns such as chop.

It really sucks being told "It's in the rules, but you can't see them."

aslum said:

Would you rather go back to "it's not in the rules, just take our word for it"?

I'd rather see the rules that were promised to be released BEFORE the pre-release ages and ages back. It's now approaching two weeks since that date and we're still getting nothing but excuses for why the rules haven't been released.

The rules have now gone through Steve, FFG's Editing Team, Sent back to James, revised and edited today, going back to the graphics team to be cleaned up and posted to the web tomorrow.

Honest.

9.4 Any face down card in the card pool will be placed in the discard pile

all better

i also meant to note that due to this rule the game forgets its what it is and now its just a facedown card. i agree that the lynette's/flipped foundations ruling should be reversed but for this face down cards in your card pool are blank unless specified by an ability.