with all the info being spit up in posts around here, can't we just talk about what we have? Just was reading one from a newer player with his list of Lando Sings the Blues. a post shortly after talks of adding r2d2 crew member. We know we are getting this, but not for a while. Help the poster with information that HELPS HIM NOW! not in a month or 3 when the transport comes out. He may NOT get the transport.

I like new info as much as the next, and right now there is alot of info being spoiled. I say (along with a new sub section for painting and modding) they make a Spoiled section. Where you can do your future talk about what you might be able to do with the little information you actually have. and leave the main xwing page for current builds not builds for stuff that isn't out yet.

I shall now pull an "Obi Wan" and disappear, leaving my bathrobe and electric toothbrush to hit the floor.

Good Sir! I noticed, that my post may have sparked this. I apologize, however if FFG didn't want us to talk and speculate about the future? They wouldn't give us previews like they have about the future products.

I chalked up that suggestion in order to spark some ideas and brainstorming. Not only that but to possibly learn a bit myself. I'm still pretty new to everything myself, so I decided to strike up a conversation. I'd do it again anytime, I don't think the person rightly minded otherwise I would have suffered some backlask.

I apologize is there are alot of spoilers, best not read the main webpage news and forum posts though if you dislike them. Mainly because, FFG will always give us a heads-up! By giving us a preview, not only are they grabbing out interest in the product. FFG is also giving us a view into what we may be spending our money on. I much prefer to have the information to speculate on, because it helps me decide whether to purchase something or not.

As for the little information, there is alot of information currently out that is available for testing. For those who use the online Squad Building tool for X-wing. Alot of the cards, shown in the previews are uploaded. This means you can effectively test them in builds, in a friendly game with friends. Once you take the picture and print it out or just use the Squad List with the details of the card. Especially the upgade cards, since FFG is nice enough to show us every detail about them.

Help the poster with information that HELPS HIM NOW! not in a month or 3 when the transport comes out. He may NOT get the transport.

Just because it's not out yet, and regardless of him getting it. For friendly games there's nothing wrong with using the spoiled cards that aren't out yet. Lots of people have been playing with Imperial Aces pilots for some time now.

It's nice to be able to test out some of these things before you buy them so you can make a better educated decision on how to spend your money.

I debated replying because this topic can only be polarizing. However, I do feel strongly that we are being cheated of the fun of actual discovery when opening the box. "Oh, look at this card! And it does what? Clear the table, let's give this a try!"

Instead it's all about learning every possible shred of information and then playing by proxy for months before you get the actual items in hand. Where is the fun in that? When you finally get the box, after months of delay, is there any joy left to you? But I think that's just the way many folks expect things these days. "Don't make me wait, I want it all now! <pitch tantrum>"

In response to your wish about a spoiled sub-forum, while a nice idea, it just won't work in real life. We will still get crazy amounts of spoiler info in the main forum so us patient folk will still get frustrated.

That brings up a good point. Wedge with R7-t1 and engine upgrades is pretty amazing.

Dont fret good sir. I understand your position. But its silly to impose it on the rest of us. I think FFG has an amazing marketing ploy. I believe there doing a classic Pavlov theory. as in they show us the goods, we Salivate for awhile in anticipation of it to drop when it drops we throw money at them until were content with the amount were given. and then when they decide to do another wave they wont have to show us anything and well have already pre-ordered everything any ways.

You don't have to proxy. i sure as hell am not and I cant wait to be surprised when i open my clamshells and see those magnificent models and cool pilot cards. You cant please everyone.

I think the OP's point was - talking about stuff that's months away doesn't help newer players. (I don't know what the original thread was, but that's my first impression of this one)

If you want to help someone who's just getting into the game - help them with what is available now. Don't deal with months-off information.

I debated replying because this topic can only be polarizing. However, I do feel strongly that we are being cheated of the fun of actual discovery when opening the box.

I would rather know what I'm spending my money on. I never cared for WotC's blind boosters method, especially with toys. With MtG cards it was one thing, but for things like the Star Wars mini's it was a bad idea.

FFG gives us all the info we need to make educated decisions which means we can better decide what we should spend our money on. Myself if FFG didn't release the spoilers that they do, I'd never buy a ship until after the cards were put up on the internet somewhere so I could see what they do and then decide what and how many I want.

This isn't a childish request, it's simply wanting to make educated decisions. I find your "pitch a tantrum" comment more then a little bit offensive, between that and your "us patient folk" make it sound like you think those of us who want to know are bunch of spoiled and ungrateful children. Can people not have a different opinion without being called names?

I think the OP's point was - talking about stuff that's months away doesn't help newer players. (I don't know what the original thread was, but that's my first impression of this one)

If you want to help someone who's just getting into the game - help them with what is available now. Don't deal with months-off information.

[edit: removed link because the poster edited that post.]

A largely useless reply in response to a new player's request for squad ideas because it is mostly talking about cards that won't be available for months. (rolling eyes)

I debated replying because this topic can only be polarizing. However, I do feel strongly that we are being cheated of the fun of actual discovery when opening the box.

I would rather know what I'm spending my money on. I never cared for WotC's blind boosters method, especially with toys. With MtG cards it was one thing, but for things like the Star Wars mini's it was a bad idea.FFG gives us all the info we need to make educated decisions which means we can better decide what we should spend our money on. Myself if FFG didn't release the spoilers that they do, I'd never buy a ship until after the cards were put up on the internet somewhere so I could see what they do and then decide what and how many I want.This isn't a childish request, it's simply wanting to make educated decisions. I find your "pitch a tantrum" comment more then a little bit offensive, between that and your "us patient folk" make it sound like you think those of us who want to know are bunch of spoiled and ungrateful children. Can people not have a different opinion without being called names?

I have a great deal of respect for most people I know, including folks on forums such as this. Do I find everyone compelling, insightful, and reasonable? Of course not. We are only human. No one is universally liked. I also know that I am not the kind of person that needs to know every possible detail of a product months before it come available.

I AM the kind of person that enjoys teaser information when I have the choice to read it. And yet, I am also the kind of person that hates to watch the previews of "next week's episode" of the Walking Dead. I DON'T want even the slightest hint of what is coming up next. The point I'm trying to make is that I should be free choose when and how much information I want ahead of time. But I'm not going to pretend that non-disclosure is even remotely possible in a forum or other social media.

I actually agree with you: I want to know (some) details before I spend money on stuff. However, I don't need 100% disclosure either.

Now, to address what you found offending. While I was typing that post, I was not thinking about the majority of folks that enjoy discussing the marketing releases from FFG. In fact, I'm a guilty participant in that because I DID post in the Tantative discussion the day of the announcement. I speculated on the energy rules and my input provided the basis for what others eventually thought was the most reasonable speculation on the way energy might work.

But when I was writing my post in this thread, I WAS thinking of the rare, few posts where I have seen folks all but demanding all remaining information about just-announced sets be released by FFG. Really? It's just been announced in the last month and that's not enough? In those rare, few posts, do I think that person is behaving like a "spoiled and ungrateful" child? Absolutely. Am I behaving like a strict, uptight parent? Absolutely.

However, I DO NOT think that any of us here fall into any single, absolute category. I am not calling you, or Joe, or Fred, or Sue anything, because I frankly don't know you that well. Even the posts I am thinking about I cannot say they fit my visualization either because, for all I know, they were joking (if they weren't, well...).

I cannot fix society. You cannot fix society. I don't even want to try because it won't matter. People will be people no matter what you and I feel. There are people that act like spoiled children even as adults. There are people that think they can do no wrong (you may have that feeling about me currently). But I assure you that I KNOW I do/say wrong things, all the time. Which is why I usually do not post in threads where I know it's just a polarizing topic. I will be a good guy or a bad guy simply due to the perspective of folks reading my written word, which is so less useful than actual face-to-face speech for this sort of topic. Frankly, you've seen enough of my posts here that I would like to believe you have a much better picture of me than what you just wrote.

I will apologize to you directly, because I have offended you "more then a little bit", although my post was never about a specific individual.

In those rare, few posts, do I think that person is behaving like a "spoiled and ungrateful" child? Absolutely. Am I behaving like a strict, uptight parent? Absolutely.

Fair enough

I will apologize to you directly, because I have offended you "more then a little bit", although my post was never about a specific individual.

Thank you, that's why I love this community so much. It's the most friendly, polite and generally tolerant community I've been apart of. I will say I was perhaps a bit more forceful in my comments then I needed to be.

Myself I wouldn't mind if there were a few unspoiled cards per pack that comes out. But I want to know enough that I can decide not only what I'll get but how many I'll get. I also want to do be able to do that far enough in advance that I can put $20 a paycheck away and have enough money set aside to order everything I want at one time.

I'd be a little dissapointed if I bought 2 Z-95's only to find out I really want 4 more, and need to find another $60 somewhere to buy them. Or worse bought 4 E-Wings and find out I can't use 4 in a 100 point list.

Who cries over spoiled milk? I've heard of crying over spilt milk, but spoiled milk?

Who cries over spoiled milk? I've heard of crying over spilt milk, but spoiled milk?

Instead it's all about learning every possible shred of information and then playing by proxy for months before you get the actual items in hand.

This is why I never, EVER proxy (even stuff that's already released but I don't own yet). Leaves a little bit of the mystery for me to discover for myself, regardless of what I have seen/read beforehand.

I would rather know what I'm spending my money on. I never cared for WotC's blind boosters method, especially with toys. With MtG cards it was one thing, but for things like the Star Wars mini's it was a bad idea.

FFG gives us all the info we need to make educated decisions which means we can better decide what we should spend our money on. Myself if FFG didn't release the spoilers that they do, I'd never buy a ship until after the cards were put up on the internet somewhere so I could see what they do and then decide what and how many I want.

Having played M:tG for years, I am extremely pleased with the recent trend toward "Living Card Games" and non-randomized purchases. So much easier on the wallet, but more importantly so much easier to get exactly what I need/want to play. In fact, I sold off almost all my M:tG, bought (all) Heroscape with that money, and have since made ALL my X-Wing purchases with winnings from Heroscape tournaments. So for what it was costing me to keep up with one blind-purchase game, I now have TWO awesome games with complete (or near complete) collections.

Not to sound rude (as I am in agreement with the OP) but If you want to be surprised, don't go on fanboy forums.

That's how I feel about most things (movies, tv shows, games, etc). You can't control what people say, nor can people anticipate every person's preference or circumstance.

I know it's hard to resist websites and forums, but these days there is information everywhere. You can't go on forums for a movie after a trailer has been released, but expect people not to talk about what they saw.

Waves 2 and 3 were a surprise to me, so I know how exciting opening a new box can be. I would prefer not to have ships spoiled, but the discussion is a decent trade off

Not to sound rude (as I am in agreement with the OP) but If you want to be surprised, don't go on fanboy forums.

That's how I feel about most things (movies, tv shows, games, etc). You can't control what people say, nor can people anticipate every person's preference or circumstance.

I know it's hard to resist websites and forums, but these days there is information everywhere. You can't go on forums for a movie after a trailer has been released, but expect people not to talk about what they saw.

Waves 2 and 3 were a surprise to me, so I know how exciting opening a new box can be. I would prefer not to have ships spoiled, but the discussion is a decent trade off

However, there is one big distinction between a movie fanboy site and the X-Wing forums: tactics. This game requires a great deal of skill regarding tactics. If you happen to play in a large FLGS with lots of other skilled players, you may be able to avoid reading about the current meta and/or tactics, but honestly, even those that do have a large player base still frequent the forums. Why? Because we need to know what the other guy/gal might be thinking.

There is just way too much goodwill floating around in this thread.

There is just way too much goodwill floating around in this thread.

I'm having trouble getting in touch with my Orc-side.

There is just way too much goodwill floating around in this thread.

IKR, no pointless arguments. It's almost as if people on the internet are having a nice, reasonable discussion . . .

As to the original subject, I am fine for some of the cards to be spoiled, but I would prefer that some information stayed shrouded in secrecy (mind you, Assault at Imdaar Alpha will make this a moot point in this case). Just give us information on one pilot and an upgrade apiece, and then wait for release to find out more. The full spoilage of Aces has somewhat ruined the magic of the set IMO (although that could be due in part to the delay of shipping giving us too long to think about the pilots and upgrades).

It certainly pays to be thick (green) skinned around here sometimes.

As an aside, you'd think tabletop gamers would be able to spell "ork" properly. You're not the first, so I'll thank you not to accuse me of pedantry.

It certainly pays to be thick (green) skinned around here sometimes.

As an aside, you'd think tabletop gamers would be able to spell "ork" properly. You're not the first, so I'll thank you not to accuse me of pedantry.

It certainly pays to be thick (green) skinned around here sometimes.

As an aside, you'd think tabletop gamers would be able to spell "ork" properly. You're not the first, so I'll thank you not to accuse me of pedantry.

LOL, I guess that depends on what side of the fantasy fence you sit on, 40K or not.

Well, an X-Wing might not be a giant, fungus infested asteroid, but what did you expect on a space battle forum?

It certainly pays to be thick (green) skinned around here sometimes.

As an aside, you'd think tabletop gamers would be able to spell "ork" properly. You're not the first, so I'll thank you not to accuse me of pedantry.

LOL, I guess that depends on what side of the fantasy fence you sit on, 40K or not.

Well, an X-Wing might not be a giant, fungus infested asteroid, but what did you expect on a space battle forum?

Well it was pretty fun to watch the thread explode because I decided to throw an interesting idea out.

I do apologize for the spilt blue milk though, I rewrote my post to something to help the OP for that thread. I got carried away with an idea I had in my head. Felt like sharing it, was the wrong place to post it though. I guess sometimes you just have an idea in your head when you are typing. It overrights your original idea of what you were typing. Cause you are so in depth about your thoughts around it.

I went ahead and made enough Thread though, to talk about Spoilers. That way when I get ideas I can post them over there. If they are in regards to anything about the future items at least.

I have been fine with all the posts as they are all your own thoughts and ideas.

My point here was basically 86% of the posts here are about stuff that has not been "released" yet. Why don't we talk of what we have and not what we do not know. OR did this already happen before I showed up and I am just seeing it now? or did I just get a mouth on mouth kiss from my twin sister.....and liked it?