Edit, never mind, no it isn't.

The firs pic is just his barrel rolls, while the new one is some of the options if you somehow get a 2nd action to boost and roll, right?

the first pic is what you can do with a normal Interceptor or standard TIE Fighter or anyone with a 1 Turn manouvre that can also barrel roll (I think the B-Wing can do this also, opps maybe not as the B-Wings 1 Turn is a red manouvre). The second pic shows what the arcs will be if you use the 1 bank template for your barrel roll as per Lt. Lorrir's ability allows.

The firs pic is just his barrel rolls, while the new one is some of the options if you somehow get a 2nd action to boost and roll, right?

the first pic is what you can do with a normal Interceptor or standard TIE Fighter or anyone with a 1 Turn manouvre that can also barrel roll (I think the B-Wing can do this also, opps maybe not as the B-Wings 1 Turn is a red manouvre). The second pic shows what the arcs will be if you use the 1 bank template for your barrel roll as per Lt. Lorrir's ability allows.

B-Wings with Adrenaline Rush, and A-Wings, Firesprays & YT-1300s with Expert Handling, though the latter two are a bit different due to having a large base.

Can you make one of those that demonstrates what Boost and Barrel roll(with PTL) can do for comparison? Because that's where my real question lies. It's certainly a great abilty. But I'm not sure I wouldn't prefer what PTL offers and intereceptor over his ability.

the first pic is what you can do with a normal Interceptor or standard TIE Fighter or anyone... The second pic shows what the arcs will be if you use the 1 bank template for your barrel roll as per Lt. Lorrir's ability allows.

No, I meant the first pic, in post #22, vs your new pic in post #24, not the 2 halves of the 2nd pic. I didn't realize at first that you were including a regular maneuver in the 2nd pic, as well as an action.

Awesome having the visual representation of all the possibilities available to him. Cool to know that he can pull off maneuvers that litterally makes noone safe from him!

Can you make one of those that demonstrates what Boost and Barrel roll(with PTL) can do for comparison? Because that's where my real question lies. It's certainly a great abilty. But I'm not sure I wouldn't prefer what PTL offers and intereceptor over his ability.

I would be happy to do that however because Lt. Lorrir does not come with an EPT slot the drawing would be redundant

Edit:

But I wanted to find out anyways what it would look like if he could:

Not what Lorrir can do. Just what a regual PTL interceptor can get as coverage. I wish I had the knowledge to do it myself...

Lorrir can get passed an action from a squad leader so it is not impossible for him to boost roll or roll boost.

I really am so stoked to fly Lorrir. Ever since he was previewed I have been imagining so many possibilities with that ability.

Can you make one of those that demonstrates what Boost and Barrel roll(with PTL) can do for comparison? Because that's where my real question lies. It's certainly a great abilty. But I'm not sure I wouldn't prefer what PTL offers and intereceptor over his ability.

I would be happy to do that however because Lt. Lorrir does not come with an EPT slot the drawing would be redundant

Edit:

But I wanted to find out anyways what it would look like if he could:

That looks like fun!

The firs pic is just his barrel rolls, while the new one is some of the options if you somehow get a 2nd action to boost and roll, right?

the first pic is what you can do with a normal Interceptor or standard TIE Fighter or anyone with a 1 Turn manouvre that can also barrel roll (I think the B-Wing can do this also, opps maybe not as the B-Wings 1 Turn is a red manouvre). The second pic shows what the arcs will be if you use the 1 bank template for your barrel roll as per Lt. Lorrir's ability allows.

B-Wings with Adrenaline Rush, and A-Wings, Firesprays & YT-1300s with Expert Handling, though the latter two are a bit different due to having a large base.

B-Wings can do it with Advanced Sensors, too, right (just roll before moving)?

Lorrir can get passed an action from a squad leader so it is not impossible for him to boost roll or roll boost.

I really am so stoked to fly Lorrir. Ever since he was previewed I have been imagining so many possibilities with that ability.

Boost + Lorrir Roll (rear/back) = do a standard centered barrel-roll to that side, then pivot in place 90*, facing away from your starting point.

Can you make one of those that demonstrates what Boost and Barrel roll(with PTL) can do for comparison? Because that's where my real question lies. It's certainly a great abilty. But I'm not sure I wouldn't prefer what PTL offers and intereceptor over his ability.

I would be happy to do that however because Lt. Lorrir does not come with an EPT slot the drawing would be redundant

Edit:

But I wanted to find out anyways what it would look like if he could:

That looks like fun!

The firs pic is just his barrel rolls, while the new one is some of the options if you somehow get a 2nd action to boost and roll, right?

the first pic is what you can do with a normal Interceptor or standard TIE Fighter or anyone with a 1 Turn manouvre that can also barrel roll (I think the B-Wing can do this also, opps maybe not as the B-Wings 1 Turn is a red manouvre). The second pic shows what the arcs will be if you use the 1 bank template for your barrel roll as per Lt. Lorrir's ability allows.

B-Wings with Adrenaline Rush, and A-Wings, Firesprays & YT-1300s with Expert Handling, though the latter two are a bit different due to having a large base.

B-Wings can do it with Advanced Sensors, too, right (just roll before moving)?

It looks very different with Adv. Sensors, but you can do a similar idea.

And Adv. Sensors version of a Matador Roll (i.e. 1 turn and barrel-roll into the center of that turn) has a significantly larger Lateral landing area, sacrificing the standard Matador's Sagittal landing area.

If I knew how to make pretty pictures, I could demonstrate

Not what Lorrir can do. Just what a regual PTL interceptor can get as coverage. I wish I had the knowledge to do it myself...

This one took a little longer than I thought:

I hope it has what you wanted, I also included a box of the standard play area, once your PTL interceptor gets into the middle of the board there's not many places to hide from it

That is really great. It's a fantastic resource.

So how are people finding Lt. Lorrir now that he's been officially available? His mid-PS limiting his ability, go for kill or blocking? Still fell like his ability is easily the most fun.

Random: What's the rationale for allowing use of a barrel roll from the back base of the ship? Seems to allow a kind of backward movement that is ... nay nay?

So how are people finding Lt. Lorrir now that he's been officially available? His mid-PS limiting his ability, go for kill or blocking? Still fell like his ability is easily the most fun.

Random: What's the rationale for allowing use of a barrel roll from the back base of the ship? Seems to allow a kind of backward movement that is ... nay nay?

Do you mean placing the movement template towards the rear of the side facing, or the actual rear facing of the ship?

Placing the template against the rear of the side facing and then using the front of the side facing to move a ship backwards (and to the side) is legal. Placing it against the rear facing is illegal. Have a read of the barrel roll rules and it is quite clear.

I tried him a little bit and I don't see myself using him ever again.

This is a personal experience, and it's not meant to put him down for everyone else.

Off the bat I was kind of bummed that I wasn't able to put Veteran Instinct on him. My way of flying is very dependent on me being able to react, and that's only where I'd ever want to use Lorrir's ability anyway.

I tried a couple of games with him though, luckily with me having the highest pilot skill in both:

1. First time I used the barrel roll, my opponent kindly reminds me to take a stress token. For some reason I hadn't seen that, and I was honestly baffled that the only thing this glorified Saber Squadron Interceptor had going for it, would even stress it. Another chance to use it never came up this game.

2. Second game, the chance to use it came up one time, but I really needed to koiogran the round after, so I didn't.

That was my experience, and there should be quite a chance that other people will have had better luck with him.

My final two cents: Compared to other pilots, who's abilities are relevant frequently throughout a game, I would deploy Lorrir rarely, even though he didn't get stressed, and I had the possibility of paying for VI on him. The way he is now, I'm not touching him with a ten foot pole.

Lt Lorrir is the ideal candidate for when a Saber Sqdn Pilot with PtL is one point too many for your list. The only thing moving after him is characters so he should still be able to get the jump on most ships generally.

It's really bad that they charge him a stress token. I don't understand why. If it had been slightly too powerful otherwise, they should have just made him cost a point more.

Without the stress, he can do some crazy things with access to all white maneuvers and his roll each turn.. Just consider what 1 turn + lorrir roll! twice in a row gets you. The interceptor has so much green, it's not an issue really.

You are still spending your only costly action on it though. I know I can't justly compare it directly, but in the light of white k-turns probably coming up on the Defender's default dials, I just don't count it as much of a pilot ability, especially at such a low pilot skill. That said, I would totally have payed my points to make him usable.

I will obviously love to reconsider, if I see someone making him shine, even against higher PS ships.

It's just that I won't spend too much energy myself trying.

Lorrir with title, SD and SU

Phennir with title, wingman, SD and SU

Carnor with title, squad leader, SD and SU

(or drop all the mods and add a Saber Squad plus VI)

Just for the fun of it, if the stress and single action on Lorrir is worth the worry (I don't think it is though).

Random: What's the rationale for allowing use of a barrel roll from the back base of the ship? Seems to allow a kind of backward movement that is ... nay nay?

It's possible when doing a barrel roll to actually slow down a bit which would put you behind where you would be otherwise if you simply traveled straight.

Yeah, that's a lot of points and otherwise lost opportunities, just to negate that stress. Not to think of the movement limitations of having to keep within range.

Nonetheless, it's always enjoyable to revel in the creativity and ideas of such speculative lists =)

Double post. I wanted to contribute with some actual data regarding the original inquiry.

Mace Windu's pictures were awesome, but I wasn't able to derive a clear cut vision of what Lorrir's ability will get you, compared to PTL.

What I personally deduce from this, is that it isn't often that Lorrir has an advantageous position, that PTL will not already get you.

Now add these three factors:

PTL will give you even more options for positioning.

PTL can be used throughout the game, with lots more applications.

PTL stress cost is the same.