One complaint that gets tossed around a lot is that Clone Wars was a show "for kids".

Yeah, but this "kids show" had a dude fall into lava (and go *poof* in a ball of fire) during the Adventures of Mace and Jar-Jar episode, and a dead clone trooper drifting in front of the camera, eyes rolled back into his head looking gruesome during the opening Clone Chip arc - so this is some pretty hardcore stuff.

One complaint that gets tossed around a lot is that Clone Wars was a show "for kids".

Yeah, but this "kids show" had a dude fall into lava (and go *poof* in a ball of fire) during the Adventures of Mace and Jar-Jar episode, and a dead clone trooper drifting in front of the camera, eyes rolled back into his head looking gruesome during the opening Clone Chip arc - so this is some pretty hardcore stuff.

Exactly.

I have to restraint myself from engaging every time someone mentions this criticism, but I completely agree.

That was also my point about the episodes focusing on intergalactic banking regulations... even *I* didn't really understand the details of that stuff, so I doubt a 6-year-old would care.

I just finished, and enjoyed, the first arc. The only issue is when I hear palpatine talk, I expect him to bust out "I'm a sith transvestite.."

I see you shiver with antici. . . .

Say it! Say it!

. . . pation!

Nooo, why did *I cannot into spoilertags on this forums* has to die, he was my favourity CW character after Asajj and Cad Bane Still, great season, shame it is the last. Also, I am slightly puzzled why Korriban is named Moriband (as it clearly looked like every depiction of Korriban).

Also, I am slightly puzzled why Korriban is named Moriband (as it clearly looked like every depiction of Korriban).

Puzzled me too. When Yoda first lands there, the scene is practically straight from the Jedi Academy game, last outside level. For those who have played, there is a ruin that you can get to the top of with great difficulty...if Yoda had gone up there he'd have gotten some rockets and health packs

George felt that Korriban sounded too much like Coruscant.

Yet he was fine with Dantooine and Tatooine...

Korriban started out as the homeworld of the Sith species until it was invaded by Dark Jedi, Moriband is the Sith tradition birthplace.

At least that seems to be the new canon.

I can buy that. As much as I like the Sith as a species, I never really bought into the whole "Sith tradition was birthed on Korriban" since it was only Dark Jedi that were exiled there. I like the idea of separating the Dark jedi Sith from actual practitioners of the Sith ways. However, if the Sith species and Korriband is outright dismissed then I might get a little miffed.

It's still the same plant just with an extra name.

Yeah, Officially they've gone and said that Korriban has gone by many names throughout history and George Lucas thought that Morriband sounded better.

Well, naming issues aside, it's the Korriban we all know.

My only complaint about Season 6 (After binge-watching it in an afternoon!) is that there was no resolution to the story arc that ended Season 5. Press releases regarding the new season rather suggested that there'd be more happening with a certain Togruta.

Looks like we'll have to wait and see if there's cameo appearances in Star Wars: Rebels for a resolution there.

I really loved season 6, esp the first arc and the last. But I was so pissed at the Moraban Korriban thing. Another case of george taking a dump over everything bc hey, he can. Just ignore all the books and video games and pull out a new name. At least it wasnt as bad as Mandalore and origin of the rule of two was kept.

Sigh, at least its out of George's hands now

Sigh, at least its out of George's hands now

WTF? That's the worst part. GL is/was the conceptual driver of the entire system. Sure, he can't write dialog, and his stories are better executed by others (thank you Dave Filoni) but all the key concepts and stories are from GL. The only other fictional world with the kind of depth of Star Wars is Middle-Earth, and nothing comes close to its breadth. Guys like Tolkien and George Lucas come along maybe every other generation. Everything else that has spun off from it is derivative and shallow, like the Travis-Mandalore thing.

Who's going to drive that now, Disney? It'll be driven by marketing, who will keep finding uber-weapons of the week and ways to clone the Emperor.

I think I'd trust Filoni with the creative vision, but I would much rather see GL still spinning the core stories.

At some point after the OT came out Lucas changed and that change was not for the better IMO. I'm grateful to him for coming up with Star Wars but he lost touch with his own creation before the original special editions came out much less the prequels.

The whole mess with Greedo shooting first or shooting at all for that matter because Han was a hero and heroes can't shoot first by some insane logic, plus the nine-year old Anakin fighter pilot and 14 year old elected ruler of a planet madness show all too clearly that the Lucas who made th Original Trilogy great is long gone and unlikely to return..

Wow, talk about missing the forest for the trees...

Who's going to drive that now, Disney? It'll be driven by marketing, who will keep finding uber-weapons of the week and ways to clone the Emperor.

I think I'd trust Filoni with the creative vision, but I would much rather see GL still spinning the core stories.

Well, as much as folks accuse Disney of "selling out" and "cash cow franchising," one has to admit that Lucas pretty much made the blueprint for that sort of thing with the initial Star Wars movie and him retaining all the merchandising rights.

As you noted, George Lucas is an amazing idea guy, but he does need others to help polish those ideas. The prequels suffered from nobody willing to say "No, that's not going to work George," in contrast to the original trilogy where other directors (and even the actors) gave feedback on what could make a given scene better. The first Indiana Jones movie is a great example of what comes of such collaboration, with George providing many of the base ideas, Spielberg turning into a working movie, and Harrison Ford taking the role and making the icon that it is today. I think that's true for a lot of "idea guys" in that they work best when someone else takes those ideas and crafts them into a story.

Yeah, the "depth' and "breadth" of the Star Wars Universe? That come's almost entirely from the EU. For that matter I sincerely doubt most of what made the Original Trilogy great actually cane from Lucas himself.

Yeah, the "depth' and "breadth" of the Star Wars Universe? That come's almost entirely from the EU. For that matter I sincerely doubt most of what made the Original Trilogy great actually cane from Lucas himself.

What made the OT in your mind?

GL conceived it, wrote it, negotiated the contract with the studio and directed it, made the decisions about it. Financed Empire himself, hired Kurtz and Kasdan, was in on the draft for it. So he had quite a bit to do with things directly and indirectly.

GL is/was the conceptual driver of the entire system.

GL put together 4 wonderful SW movies (not ep1 or 2), but even those ideas came from elsewhere. The Hidden Fortress, etc. With Clone Wars, he used it to remake his favorite films and show from his youth, only not quite as good most of the time. Such as the Seven Samurai based arc. Adequate kiddie SW retelling, but only that, adequate.

Then take episode 1 and 2. Decent enough movies if you remove just about everything having to do with Anakin and midichlorians from the first, and everything with anakin and most of amidala before and after the first chase in the second film. Instead of a know-it-all hotshot, he's a creepy stalker that Obiwan needs to smack upside the head. The Most memorable film love scene comes from Ford improvising bc he's tired of re-taking the crappy dialogue.

Episode 3, "Only a sith deals in absolutes", being an absolute, thus Obiwan is a sith. Padme dying of a broken heart. Greedo shooting first, Anakin as a force ghost in ROTJ after CW season 6 makes zero sense now.

GL takes good things with him to the outhouse and leaves them there after The Last Crusade.

Yeah Padme dying because she had nothing to live for right after giving birth to two babies had to be one of the worst ideas in the history of science fiction.

Yeah Padme dying because she had nothing to live for right after giving birth to two babies had to be one of the worst ideas in the history of science fiction.

Not really, and it actually happens in real life. Sadly this thread will devolve into "I prefer no GL, I prefer GL" arguments

Spoilers ahead...

Back on topic, I loved all of Season 6. I think the explanation of the Force, midichlorians, the dark side and Yoda ultimately playing and planning for the long game was rather incredible. I just hope Dave Filoni and Disney backing Rebels can continue this type of content with the new series.

I'm not sure I buy what they were getting at with Order 66; that it was an implant in their brains and is like a multiple personality thing... yeah I don't know about that one. Ultimately it doesn't impact EP III, but I still find it odd. The Sifo-Dyas stuff was real cool because I never really read much about that except what was in the Darth Plagueis novel. I also found it awesome that even though the Jedi discovered Dooku was behind the start of the Clone War and is Tyranus, that they Jedi were powerless to do anything about it. That is some serious master manipulation on the part of Sidious. He must have known that even if the Jedi discovered the plot they would not be able to move on the intel because it would tear the republic apart even more. That is some long term planning there!

All in all I have been quite impressed with TCW, tons of great stories and reveals such as that. Sad to see it go but eager to look forward to Rebels.

As you noted, George Lucas is an amazing idea guy, but he does need others to help polish those ideas.

Oh, I've said for ages now that Lucas is a poor storyteller, but a GREAT anthologist. The ability to take a mish-mosh of ideas and stories and legends and archetypes and forge them into a unified whole is not to be underestimated. He just needed a strong sounding board to bounce off of.

I'll also contend that the "He's a crap director" faction is wrong too - he might be a poor character director, but the man knows the art of visual story telling. Take the opening of Sith, where it goes from the small 2-shot short to a bigger slice of the battle bigger to bigger to ohmyhollyhellthat'sbig! in one sweeping move. He knows how to cut a climax, he knows visual style. It's just when it comes down to the characters where he falls down.

As for the whole Korriban / Moraband thing - I assume you visit New Amsterdam and not New York? Or that you have no problem reading the original Beowulf manuscript? It's in English, after all - and only a thousand years old. Or that you'd have no issues reading Elizabethan era script? That's only 300-ish years out of date.

Language evolves, things change. The Sith Empire is what - 3,000 years old? And a lost civilization to boot? No wonder then that a name forgotten in the mists of time has drifted and changed since that the ancient days of the Republic.

As for the whole Korriban / Moraband - I assume you visit New Amsterdam and not New York? Or that you have no problem reading the original Beowulf manuscript? It's in English, after all - and only a thousand years old. Or that you'd have no issues reading Elizabethan era script? That's only 300-ish years out of date.

Language evolves, things change. The Sith Empire is what - 3,000 years old? And a lost civilization to boot? No wonder then that a name forgotten in the mists of time has drifted and changed since that the ancient days of the Republic.

Apples and Oranges. NA was changed to NY as a result of purchase. Most places change names by conquest from the new inhabitants. Korriban is essentially a graveyard, yet the source of many destiny changing wars. Waterloo will always be remembered as such, thermopolae the same even if i cant spell it. Jedi have the best libraries. They know the proper name. Its used both before Old Republic and later in Legacy as Korriban. Its just another case of GL flipping the bird to the EU one last time bc hey, he's GL and doesnt care if no-one liked JarJar, it was his universe.