A Star Destroyer and a Death Star will enter this game in some fashion.

As a backdrop of some sort, perhaps. But I don't really think most people will be happy with that.

It's a game, they can ignore a description from the book and make a balanced ship that fits the idea of the ship.

If you mean a new ship that's balanced and fits with in the game? Sure, but it won't be a ISD. There is no way to make a ISD fit in this game. It's simply too large and powerful to ever work in a game scaled for individual fighters.

Even in the Epic Rules, from what little we know, they're not really changing the basic scale of the game, it's still 1 model = 1 fighter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVLCtfM_6vk

The scale on that never really bothered me. Still a massive model, and yes, out of scale to the Corvette. But I would be down for something to that scale. I think something like 6 hull sections and a large amount of hard points. Sure, we still need more info on how the Corvette works.

A Star Destroyer and a Death Star will enter this game in some fashion.

As a backdrop of some sort, perhaps. But I don't really think most people will be happy with that.

It's a game, they can ignore a description from the book and make a balanced ship that fits the idea of the ship.

If you mean a new ship that's balanced and fits with in the game? Sure, but it won't be a ISD. There is no way to make a ISD fit in this game. It's simply too large and powerful to ever work in a game scaled for individual fighters.

Even in the Epic Rules, from what little we know, they're not really changing the basic scale of the game, it's still 1 model = 1 fighter.

I agree an ISD is way out of scale for the game, I was talking about the Lancer. Changing the power of a ship that roughly the right size is one thing (especially changing from a description in a novel which it is safe to say most players haven't read) Making an ISD which anyone who has seen Star Wars knows is several times larger than the CR90 for a dogfighting game is crazy.

Still, I wouldn't be too surprised if FFG made an ISD in a few years.

I was talking about the Lancer.

I agree, tweaking the Lancer or some other similar ship so it's on par with the CR-90 is very possible. Depending on how the point values in Epic work out, you could even have it be more powerful but cost more, say 150+ then it's still balanced even if it's a bit more powerful.

Making an ISD which anyone who has seen Star Wars knows is several times larger than the CR90 for a dogfighting game is crazy.

This is the whole point I and others have been trying to make. The ISD is simply too large and powerful to fit in the game as it is. With what we know of the CR-90 now, it's even more clear you can't make a ISD work in this game. Not without nerfing it to oblivion.

In a few years... I doubt it. This game will have no support in a few years. I'm sure with FFGs reputation, this game has maybe 2 more years, and I'll be generous, 3 on the extreme outside.

Here's what would seem likely:

The Consular -class cruiser (115m): it's been in the prequels and Clone Wars TV series. They'd be dumb not to make it.

The Gozanti -class (41.8m): likewise the above, plus the Imperial version is going to figure in the new series. While they're at it, why not make one for both sides? They'd make money on selling one of each every time, because we all have fleets of stuff from both sides (because there's only two factions, not 10+ like a GW game).

The Arquitens -class (200m est., no one's said for sure): it's supposedly longer than the 150m CR-90, so this makes it less likely. However, it also has nice Imperial lines. Also, when they run out of fighters from this era they're going to have to go to the Clone Wars. That means this guy and the Consular.

The Pelta -class (282m): whoah it's long, but shares a lot of features with the CR-90, without being a CR-90. See above for reasons.

The Fury -class Sith corvette (100m): Yes, it's extremely out of date and looks like a giant TIE fighter. Yes, it'd go great with some kind of Sith expansion. Sith are cool (and marketable).

The Customs Corvette (180m): Again, it's got the right look, is from the right era, and is big without being too extremely big. More importantly, people will see it and be like "Here's an Imperial ship." Instant recognition goes a long way when you're trying to get people to spend money.

The Vigil -class corvette: again, at 250 meters (100m longer than a CR-90 ) you're pushing the upper limits of size. The Space Dong (it's called a Lancer ! Get it! Hah! Art department jokes!) is also 250m, but between the two? The Vigil is easier to market, commercially, to the many people who have never seen played the game that features the Space Dong.

For those of you who need an idea of length, the Falcon is around 35 meters long.

Size is important because it influences the model cost, including the cost to package/ship it. This influences whether/how much it will sell. FFG could do themselves a favor by putting out model kits, but they're big into the prepainted market because it boosts playability big time, so <shrugs>.

In a few years... I doubt it. This game will have no support in a few years. I'm sure with FFGs reputation, this game has maybe 2 more years, and I'll be generous, 3 on the extreme outside.

Maybe, maybe not. Never underestimate the legs of a franchise. Star Wars has a built-in market of folks with disposable income who like miniatures gaming but complain about high entry/sustainability cost. Being able to set up and play in 10 minutes is a huge advantage over other games. Plus, the franchise appeals to people who might not necessarily play a miniatures game otherwise.

Here's what would seem likely...

I don't think they're going to be digging into Clone-Wars-era ships too deeply, but I agree about the Gozanti, Customs Corvette, and at the very outside the Vigil. (Basically I don't think the Vigil is very likely, but I agree that it's more likely than the Lancer due to theme/recognizability.)

Of course, it's possible FFG will go in a different direction entirely, but I think Gozanti and Customs Corvette are by far the most likely ships to show up on the Empire's side, purely for scale reasons--and, as you say, it will be easy for even casual fans of Star Wars to look at a Customs Corvette next to a CR-90 and tell which is which.

These are all the ships I could find with the same size as the GR-75 & CR-90:

Galactic Empire - Rebellion Era

Law Class Patrol Craft 51m ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Law-class_light_patrol_craft )

DP20 Frigate / Corellian Gunship 120m ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/DP20_frigate )

Corellian CR90 Corvette 153m ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/CR90_corvette )

Assassin Class Corvette 140m ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Assassin-class_corvette )

Adz Class Destroyer 150m ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Adz-class_patrol_destroyer )

IPV 1 System Patrol Craft 153m ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/IPV-1_System_Patrol_Craft )

Imperial Customs Corvette 180m ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Light_corvette )

Bossk's "Hound's Tooth", Bounty Hunter's Guild, Zann Consortium

YV-666 62m ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hound%27s_Tooth )

In a few years... I doubt it. This game will have no support in a few years. I'm sure with FFGs reputation, this game has maybe 2 more years, and I'll be generous, 3 on the extreme outside.

Have you seen how much money FFG is making on this game? It's a huge chunk of their sales. I find it really unlikely that they would dump the game.

In a few years... I doubt it. This game will have no support in a few years. I'm sure with FFGs reputation, this game has maybe 2 more years, and I'll be generous, 3 on the extreme outside.

Have you seen how much money FFG is making on this game? It's a huge chunk of their sales. I find it really unlikely that they would dump the game.

FFG has shown in the past that they are willing to let a game go even when it's making good money for them. Also, I think people fail to realize, not many games like this survive like some of our old favorites...

Well, back to possible ship releases, I have a feeling wave 5 and up will draw more from the future Disney productions than the old EU games and comics. Has anyone noticed that FFG released the Age of Rebelion rpg the same year as the Rebels cartoon is debuting, and the Force and Destiny rpg is slated the same year as Star Wars episode VII? I really doubt thats a coincidence, they just seem too well timed and similar in theme to me, and tying in the cartoon to the game could bring in a lot of new customers ...I mean players. I think we might see the Ghost and the Inquisitor's Tie fighter in wave 5.

I feel like an imperial version of the corvette is logical but the cost of it would preclude a repaint IMO.

What if they did an "expansion pack" that came with a tie fighter repaint ala the xwing, and new cards/bases for the tie & corvette? That would be a pretty cost effective way to "repaint" the model and make it a lot more likely for people to pick up an imperial version of the ship.

BFF-1 bulk freighters, Action VI transport also seem pretty likely.

While I'd love to see a small Star Destroyer like the Gladiator class, the Tartan Class Patrol Cruiser might be the best match:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tartan-class_patrol_cruiser

Now that the Interceptors have received a little more love, I think the Advanced should be next. I feel I have all the Tie Fighters I will ever need. Would love to see the Advanced get some new pilots and abilities. Wouldn't mind a few new Bomber pilots either. They are going to be very useful against these large ships.

One thing we all also need to keep in mind is the big shakeup that's supposedly taking place in the back halls of Disney, with whatever retconning or downright erasure of extended universe stuff. Frankly, I'm surprised they even let the Moldy Crow out.

I'd like to think a discussion went on (or is going on) where FFG has pulled every design out there and said "Tell us what we can have, we need to keep the game fresh and keep people buying little ships." Logically, the Disney pushback would be "Well, we need to make money off of this new franchise we bought, particularly the new material we're making for it. So, here's what we'll do....".

The broader question becomes: What, in their opinion, needs to go, and what, in there opinion, is treated as canon? They're probably looking at things that sold previously, at what art still cleaves to the brand vs what went off the reservation, and at leaving room for all the stuff they're about to introduce. To the people who say the Clone Wars stuff is dated, I'd say next to the original trilogy stuff, it's the most recognizable, as it was freshly out there, is still on Netflix, and, from a fiction standpoint, people in the SW universe use things till they blow up/rust apart.

Here's an example for you:

Take the Sith Fury from the Old Republic game. It's easily recognizable and thus marketable. There's a Lego kit of it. (also, anyone who doesn't like Legos has no soul.) According to the fluff, it's also 100m long and nearly 3700 years old. That did not stop them from spending the money to design the kit, the box, cast (well, sculpt helmets and tampo-print decals, anyway) and manufacture the figs, and put it on the shelves. Now, is that to say "Where goes Lego, so goes FFG?"

Well, no. Not necessarily.

However, I think we can use it as our litmus test, as they operate on the same principle. Further, I think while there will probably be expansions/series based on eras in the SW continuity (New Rep, Old Rep, Clone Wars, Sith, etc etc), that you'll be able to field every ship against every other ship (because FFG is in the business of selling little ships, remember). Now, for those of you who care about tournaments, things might get compartmentalized by era, but that's getting into the competitiveness weeds (where I don't want to go, personally).

Another thing that's encouraging is that FFG might (and is, if they're smart) be using these forums to keep their fingers on the pulse and use as marketing feedback to guide decisions and, by extension, to ask Disney for rights for stuff.

"Hey Mickey, people really like the Space Dong, the Customs Corvette, Corellian Patrol thingie, and the Sith Fury. Also, China can't make the CR-90 fast enough to keep up with demand."

"Okay, FFG, here's the rights to the Sith Fury, since it was in that video game, and the Customs Corvette, since we like the Star Destroyer look. We'll talk again about the other ones in a year when you have more sales figures."

"Cool."

"Also, since we own stuff now, we're going to aggressively sue all the people making things on Shapeways, because that's Disney's property and thus our money."

Pay attention to that last one. I like the Shapeways ship market, too, but buy your ships while you can, because those poor folks are living on borrowed time. You saw what Square Enix did to the guy who was making those Final Fantasy VII figs.

Anyways, that went off the rails a bit, sorry. But you see where I'm going.

Frankly, I'm surprised they even let the Moldy Crow out.

We have no way of knowing what Disney will consider canon and what they won't. That includes this game, so it's possible that FFG can produce ships that aren't canon, because the game itself isn't canon. That does seem unlikely though as it hurts the brand. So it's reasonably safe to believe that anything FFG releases has a good chance of being canon.

That did not stop them from spending the money to design the kit, the box, cast (well, sculpt helmets and tampo-print decals, anyway) and manufacture the figs, and put it on the shelves.

Further, I think while there will probably be expansions/series based on eras in the SW continuity (New Rep, Old Rep, Clone Wars, Sith, etc etc)

That actually seems unlikely. FFG has said that the game is based on the Rebellion Era stuff, so even though they include some stuff from the Clone Wars era, I don't expect to ever see anything from it myself. Especially with Disney closing it down to make room for the Rebellion era stuff, and the new movies.

I don't think Disney will approve anything from that era, and there's no way they'll approve anything from the Old Republic era, since that's all somewhat owned by Bioware.

I expect to see another wave of EU ships, then stuff from the Rebels cartoon and the new Star Wars movies. Once the new movies come out, I can't see Disney letting anyone market anything that doesn't come from them.

Technically, it all comes from them, canon or not. Considering the various uncanon things that have been made, I'm not too worried about FFG losing the ability to dumpster dive into the EU. Disney isn't exactly going to give up the trademarks.

FFG is going to be part of the Star Wars marketing machine, though. And that isn't even a Disney thing, that has a been a staple of Star Wars games for decades. The only question is, is LFL willing to let FFG access to designs to Rebels and Episode VII in the lead time that FFG needs to properly make an expansion?

Technically, it all comes from them, canon or not. Considering the various uncanon things that have been made, I'm not too worried about FFG losing the ability to dumpster dive into the EU. Disney isn't exactly going to give up the trademarks.

FFG is going to be part of the Star Wars marketing machine, though. And that isn't even a Disney thing, that has a been a staple of Star Wars games for decades. The only question is, is LFL willing to let FFG access to designs to Rebels and Episode VII in the lead time that FFG needs to properly make an expansion?

There is a trend, and I think we'll continue to see this trend. A) this game does take place in the time span of the original movies. B) All EU ships have come from Lucas Arts games that are also a part of this time period.

That being said, the new cartoon takes place inside the time period this game does. I full expect to see a wave (or two) of ships come out of it. The new movies will have the same effect. FFG stated, back when they first launched the game, that they have already planned out several waves (don't remember the count, but I'm positive it was more than 4). The new projects Disney is working on now come from Lucas Arts and the minds that George Lucas himself had working on. It seems evident that FFG was given access to these ideas too when creating this game.

I'm with the people who call for a recognizable ship. It has to look Imperial, meaning it would have to be similar to a Star Destroyer. The Customs Corvette would be the best ship in terms of size and looks imho.

I also like the idea of an imperial assault ship to capture rebel freighters, maybe a Gamma class shuttle or an assault transport. They could make an "imperial assault" expansion with a Gamma class, spacetroopers and an Assault Gunboat.

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Frankly, I'm surprised they even let the Moldy Crow out.

We have no way of knowing what Disney will consider canon and what they won't.

I, for one, hope that canon includes the Spaceballs Winnebago.

That includes this game, so it's possible that FFG can produce ships that aren't canon, because the game itself isn't canon.

Ehhhh maybe, but there's so much already out there they don't need to go making new things all their own until they exhaust the IP they already have.

That does seem unlikely though as it hurts the brand. So it's reasonably safe to believe that anything FFG releases has a good chance of being canon.

I disagree, simply because Disney, being Disney, keeps a tight rein on their IP. (fan-made porn notwithstanding) Announcing they're going to edit and retcon EU stuff was huge, because they're saying "If we don't like it, it's going to disappear." If FFG trods all over that, Disney's going to pull the license and there goes the game.

That did not stop them from spending the money to design the kit, the box, cast (well, sculpt helmets and tampo-print decals, anyway) and manufacture the figs, and put it on the shelves.

SW:TOR came out in 2011, Disney didn't buy it from Lucas until 2012, so that kit was done before Disney had any say over it.

I never said they did. I'm saying its origin from 3000 years before the Rebellion era wasn't a mitigating factor . I should've clarified by saying "them as in they, Lego. "

Further, I think while there will probably be expansions/series based on eras in the SW continuity (New Rep, Old Rep, Clone Wars, Sith, etc etc)

That actually seems unlikely. FFG has said that the game is based on the Rebellion Era stuff, so even though they include some stuff from the Clone Wars era, I don't expect to ever see anything from it myself. Especially with Disney closing it down to make room for the Rebellion era stuff, and the new movies.

They're going to run out of ships eventually. The initial waves might be Rebellion era, but once the line is saturated with ships from that era (and compared to other miniature lines, that's a short list) it's logical that they'd dip into another section of the IP in order to churn out new things for people to buy. Whether they're era expansions four years from now or next month (or yes, never) we can only speculate.

For them not to seriously consider adding CW/OR/etc would be a tremendous boner "We don't want your money" move because it only generates other things for their customers to buy. People only need so many TIE fighters (or Pick Your Fighter). Why do you think they kicked out the Defender, Phantom, E-Wing, and Z-95? Those came from EU books and games. As for not featuring Clone Wars stuff, the Z-95 has already been on there, too. In terms of universe age, it's pre-Rebellion era. For that matter, so is the CR-90. The Falcon is in that famous easter egg shot. That makes the YT-1300 pre-Rebellion, too. SW characters keep their ships for freaking ever. Oh, and the E-Wing? From the New Republic. Post-Rebellion era. Planes from the future fielded alongside planes from the past. Hmmm.

In the long run, we just don't know. No one can see their month-to-month or year-to-year release schedule, and while rumors and spec are flying, no insiders are talking.

Talk, insiders, talk.

If FFG trods all over that, Disney's going to pull the license and there goes the game.

I think I wasn't quite as clear as I could of been.

The ships released so far, including Wave 4 that have already been released could become canon when Disney finally goes though everything and decides what they're going to keep and what they won't. The ship itself has no effect on the story, so if they keep E-Wings and Z-95's that's not going to have any effect on the story the movies are trying to tell.

The whole reason they're messing with Canon is because they don't want the movies to be in conflict with EU canon... Ship designs don't have any impact with that. Plus they already own the rights to those ships, so there's no reason to get rid of them.

They're going to run out of ships eventually.

There's still a ton of EU ships out there to use, they said at one point they had plans for I think 50+ ships. As of Wave 4 they'll have released 18. Plus with the new movies coming out they'll even more ships to put out. So no, they're not likely to run out anytime soon.