FFG SWRPG Release Schedule Discussion/Speculation

By Internutt, in Star Wars: Edge of the Empire RPG

Ever since Jewel Of Yavin's Announcement back in December almost 3 months ago, many of us have realised that there has been little spoken about for EotE since then and a follow up post giving more details about the adventure.

This has lead a few of us on the forum, along with my own Role-playing group to consider that once Jewel of Yavin is released, that will be EotE on hiatus until AoR and possibly F&D Beta are released into the wild.

Of course, there is every possibility that EotE will get a single book release around Gencon. We don't know for certain as FFG don't announce anything ahead of time, other than the usual 3 month rough window before a product is released.

With every LCG and certainly in the case of EotE, there is usually a 3-4 month window after the Core game is released before expansions start rolling out for it. In EotE's case we have seen Beyond the Rim, Enter the Unknown, AoR beta, Sons of Fortune, Dangerous Covenants and (next month's) Jewel of Yavin. Each of these books has been released a month apart since November or so, giving us a 3 month+ gap after EotE's core rulebook was released before the supplements started the 1 a month trend.

What should be taken from all this, first of all, is that EotE is the most heavily supported RPG FFG have ever undertaken. I haven't known the Warhammer books to ever be so heavily supported by FFG in such a short period of time. There is such a depth of content along with a quality and obvious love of the source material that has entered the pages of the SWRPG. I feel that we have been spoiled, in a way, with how good each book has been so far.

There is so much to look forward to!

SPECULATION

I honestly expect the next major announcement for SWRPG is the AoR GM Screen/guide seeing as that is yet to be formally announced. I do not expect EotE to be given a book release until the beginner game/Core Rulebook of the new game has been released.

This of course depends entirely on how big a team FFG have on the SWRPG line, they have clearly already put so much work into the system and there are many ways to expand the materials. So, going by all that we know(or can speculate) so far:

AoR materials will be the big Spring/Summer releases this year, with F&D beta following suit in August. In this time we may see one more source book for EotE, but with the focus on AoR I do not see that as likely.

Autumn/Christmas 2014 and Beyond

The release of AoR will be the true test to what FFG plan to do with SWRPG. There are still 4 source books for EotE's classes to be released (with 12 between AoR and F&D), we may see a book or two during the 3/4 month gap after AoR is released for EotE, before AoR starts getting it's own source books.

Once the AoR source books start, then we will see just where we are headed. Will AoR/EotE see simultaneous releases each month, doubling the content that we buy, or will they bounce back and forth month to month between both game systems?

Personally, I'd love to see 2 books a month if such a thing was truly possible, but with printing and shipping that does seem highly unlikely. However, the SW license is popular and unlike X-wing, it is much easier to produce books than complicated small models with paint apps.

CLOSING THOUGHTS

If anyone from FFG reads this post, I'd like to make one thing clear. I LOVE LOVE LOVE THIS RPG LINE! I've been able to introduce Role-Playing to geeky friends who were turned off by the number crunching and combat focussed mess that D&D 4.0 was. The storytelling and dice aspects of this game really shine through to the people I have shown this game to.

I am very happy to buy 2 books a month, 2 books means twice as much content to enjoy and add to the experience with friends. However, I understand that may not be feasible and I do not want to be greedy in wanting MORE MORE MORE. SWRPG is a good thing and shouldn't be flooded by dozens of books all at once. I just hope that the books are well paced and no matter how F&D turns out, I am really incredibly excited about the future of the SWRPG.

Edited by Internutt

I just hope licensing doesn't become a problem before the line is complete.

Also, as much as I want new content, I don't want it rushed out.

I do hope we get the remaining EotE career books this year.

Yeah, I am not one to speculate on license as that is entirely out of my field of education, nor is it FFG's place to discuss such matters openly. I just know that FFG spent an extra year while owning the license to pause and focus on the products they were releasing. From that year where they released nothing for the SW license, they changed the LCG into a head to head game instead of a LotR style co-op. They also extended EotE's beta in order to give us the best possible product at the end of the day.

For that I am very grateful as it means that we have been given quality products for our money. No doubt, Disney/LucasArts or whoever they have to deal with will be very happy to extend the license further. FFG are one of the best in the business and they have treated the property with a huge amount of respect. They are the right company for the license, so I hope they have it at least another decade.

My 2 cents...

WHFRP3 was supported quite heavily from it's original release out to almost nine months. I was in a position very close to release schedule knowledge, product arrival, street dates, and customer demand. Being only one product line, however, that obviously dwindled away as other projects demanded more of FFG's attention.

There is a similar situation with EoE, as AoR requires its own time for development, testing, and production. There has to be a "gap"- when building a new car from the ground up, whatever other projects may have been in the works cannot continue with the same rate of progress without additional dedicated manpower.

I feel it would be unwise for FFG to release EoE and AoR (and for that matter, FaD) publications side-by-side. It would be no different than GW crushing the available disposable income with their continuous price increases. Can you safely suggest $80-$120 is a more reasonable expectation of financial layout each month, rather than $30-$40? Would it be wiser for FFG to release on a rotating schedule, in whatever order they choose, so that one publication per month is released, allowing for steady investment in their games, rather than risk shoddy publications and running out of things to produce within a year and a half?

Waaayyy back in the day, if you played AD&D 1st, the only thing you had to look forward to once you owned the core books were the modules. TSR were limited in the things they were producing at the time, so we were fortunate to see something every two to three months. Then the UK branch was opened, and that opened the tap a bit. Just a bit. But everyone could afford everything, and I'd like to think that was TSR's intention. By way of comparison, EoE has had something every month for five months. That is still quite manageable.

Isn't anyone at all worried that drinking from the wellspring so often will drain the fountain? Isn't anyone at all worried that these calls for line-compatible publications to be released side-by-side will needlessly stress the available disposable income, making many consumers choose one line over the other rather than happily wading in slowly for all three? Possibly forcing FFG to choose which line to favor?

Up until last year, the 40K RPG lines were releasing two or three supplements every five or six weeks. I couldn't keep up. And now, when they've essentially dropped from the face of the planet, and I could catch up (not that I want to), there is nothing to announce except Dark Heresy's 2ed (feh). But because they've announced nothing else, and seemingly given up on one line 3/4 through, I've moved on...to SW:EOE. If FFG pumps SW publications out as fast as they did the 40K lines, I'll be financially squeezed out of three game lines in the same amount of years. Why does everyone want all the money right now? Is it because so many are clamoring for all the things right now? When did patience wither and die in favor of "MOAR!! NOW!!"?

Slow and steady, even rotation. It's good for development and writing, it's good at the consumer level.

Edited by Brother Orpheo

The SoF release party thread was a comment by KRKappel that said nothing but one could infer we will see F&D beta at Gencon time.

That taken with the fact that AoR's CRB is still listed as in development, I think it's likely their plates are pretty full through the summer. They've got to finish polishing AoR and get it to print. Once it launches they know there will be an expectation of supporting books as with EoE, so there is probably development on those underway. They've got career books they need to finish for EoE. Gencon is coming up and they have to get a F&D beta put together. So releases might slow up a bit over the summer months, but understandably so.

I doubt they have the staff to be pushing something new out the door monthly for both EoE and AoR while simultaneously getting F&D finished up. I'm ok with a product a month with some skipped months now and again because of the 3 book juggling act they'll have to manage.

I also am in favour of only one release per month, even when all three lines are out. If that keeps the quality as high as it's been, then that's what matters most... even if it means I don't get my Colonist book until 2015 or something.

I can barely keep up with EotE as it is; I only just got SoF last night!

I agree i'd much rather have quality than quantity. but i would like to see more visual such as maps and tokens for enemies and players it would i think boost popularity with the game i know alot of my friends want but want more visual to help make a better picture.

In terms of tokens and the like, I'm in process of building up a collection of Star Wars Lego minis to help with that. My idea is to have a bunch of bits to give to my crew to put together their own characters. Functionally they'd be no different than counters :)

As for release schedule, we now have three basic book templates out there beyond the core Rulebooks. We have Career splat books, regional splat books, and adventures. So far we have two Career, two Adventures, and one regional. I see this pattern continuing, and I presume we will see similar lines for both AoR and FaD. Career splat books have a fixed end point, as there are only six careers in each game... Regional sourcebooks, on the other hand, have a longer potential run, as do adventure titles.

In theory, FFG would support all three games equally to begin with. They may even do some sourcebooks that are intentionally cross-system, but we've seen no real evidence of that so far. I suspect though that splat books for Age of Rebellion would still work well for EotE.

At the same time, the games are also intended to operate independent of each other. So supporting the lines accordingly means a huge run of potential products across the board. Without too much of a stretch, we know what eighteen of those books will be.

I agree i'd much rather have quality than quantity. but i would like to see more visual such as maps and tokens for enemies and players it would i think boost popularity with the game i know alot of my friends want but want more visual to help make a better picture.

Along this vein people had posted in another thread about the hired gun payscales. I mentioned some input on commerce and running cargo. There also has been talk about encumbrance and cargo in ships and such. Maybe just a real short supplement book with those kinds of rules partnered with a nice galaxy map on a gameboard type fold out like the GM screen would be a nice way to work a nice piece of art into the game.

Maybe the same idea for a spaceport area, or just some iconic generic type locations.

Edited by 2P51

I guess I didn't say it in my first post, but I would also not like to see too much more than a book a month. I could afford 2, but I have other hobbies to support as well.

I would love to see a really good token & maps set.

Since the lines are meant to be free standing as well as cross compatible, I'm hoping we don't see too much crossover. I don't want a Corellian Sector from the Rebellions viewpoint book.

Edited by Grimmshade

I'd be happy with one Star Wars RPG book a month, be it for EotE, AoR, or (eventually) F&D.

I've seen the quantity over quality approach with WotC and D&D, as they were literally just churning stuff out, and I felt the Saga Edition stuff was of much better quality even if we only got (roughly) one book a quarter.

So far, the supplemental books that FFG has published have been very high quality, and I'd prefer to see that trend continue.

I am in this game for the long haul as long as it doesn't get stupid (I don't see that happening). I am in no hurry for all the stuff NOW! I want quality, not quantity. Slow and steady wins the race.

Agreed. If it came to a choice I would have to go with EotE, as that is more my groups style, but I would get AoR as well if they were to alternate with the schedule.

I'd kind of prefer 2 at a time, since pretty much all of them so far have been golden, and for me at least, money wouldn't be an issue. But like others have said, assurance of quality is preferable to the books just being churned out quickly; and I'm sure for many other people, they're prefer if the $30 books remained at only once a month (instead of needing to spend $60 for 2 books, or $90 for 3, once Force and Destiny comes out - just to keep up if they wanted to collect all the books).

Upside if they stick to 1-a-month? Sector books being what they are, they'll work very nicely with all cores, regardless of your type of game. So there's that at least.

Hmm... I have a sensation but maybe I'm wrong... I think that there is a few (a lot XD) of people that aren't saying this because they will become "that annoying guy/lad that always says the same and open and re-open that hated post but..."

OMG I WANT THE JEDI (Yes, is the Jedi not the Zeison Sha XD) BOOK!!! XDDD

Add a "64" before that and create a Youtube video XD

Edited by Josep Maria

Jedi will be interesting, but right now none of the players in my new group have wanted to go down that path. So, I've not had any real chances to grasp Jedi skills/powers yet.

I doubtful that we will see overlap, so no Jedi books in EotE. I'd be quite happy with that too, more room for location source books and adventures.

I'd love a 1 book a month release schedule, if the quality stays good. Much more then that gets a bit to spendy, but I can do one a month.

I'm hoping to see one more book between Jewel of Yavin, and Age of Rebellion. Any of the classes would be great. I'm then guessing we'll see Age of Rebellion, and the Force and Destiny beta in fairly short order. After that, who knows. We'll just have to see how things look, and how much they contract out vs write in house. There's a limited supply of qualified writers. Hopefully they can make that one a month, which should be sufficient to keep the books going for all 3 systems.

On a somewhat related note, once all the EotE class books are out, I'd love to see a consolidated equipment, ships, and races book. It can be difficult to remember which text you saw that one gun with the cool widget that you wanted.

Slow and steady, even rotation. It's good for development and writing, it's good at the consumer level.

As much as I'd like to argue against that, I cant do it. If they released 3 books a month, that's (roughly) 90 bucks a month. That's an insane level of expenditure (and an insane level of output). So while I'd love to see doubled up titles like that, I know it's economically unsustainable.

Of course once you get past the class books, the line becomes more interchangeable. Sure they might write a Hutt Space book with EotE in mind, but you could easily use that information for all three ranges. The Class Books and Adventures, not so much, but gear and settings and NPC books could all be used regardless of what core you're playing.

Really, all I want is my Colonist book and I'll be happy. Beyond that, I'm good with whatever.

I'm a fan of a rotating one release a month. I will be buying everything they release if they keep this level of quality. I'm a fan of the feel of each of the lines so far, but I know I will be combining all 3. I'm chomping at the bit for the FaD stuff, but thankful for the way they are doing it. At first I was a little miffed at the 3 way split. Now I am happy to have extra sources to look up rules from! If FFG keeps it to about 60 bucks a month, they will have my money.

I only noticed the sandwich release style:

Adventure

Character Sourcebook

Sector sourcebook

Character Sourcebook

Adventure

Character Source book next? Looking at the release schedules on the news feed I think if one gets announced this month, we will see it around the end of June.

April/May are AoR, with a 3/4 month gap before sourcebooks start coming.

Dangerous Covenants has been an excellent read so far, I'm excited to read more as soon as I get off this forum and stop speculation about the future.

Yep, AoR GM screen announced just as I suspected. I think this confirms we wI'll not see any further EotE materials until Q3.

Yep, AoR GM screen announced just as I suspected. I think this confirms we wI'll not see any further EotE materials until Q3.

Well, given that AoR is this year's "new hotness," that's not really too surprising.

Also depends on when the AoR Beginner Box and rulebook are being released. If they're coming out in April and May, we might see something in June or July for EotE. August is probably Force & Destiny Beta all the way, as folks have been chomping at the bit for Jedi PCs since FFG announced they were doing a Star Wars RPG.

Wow, mass combat and a cool adventure!

Curses! Now I have to order the AoR screen as well!

I really wish they would have spread out the releases of the three core games a bit further apart. I feel like we're just scratching the surface of EotE, and we don't want to go to AoR just yet. If there's going to be a void of EotE in the release schedule while they get AoR ramped up a bit, that's going to be disappointing.