This is such an idiotic strawman used by the EU fans against Movie purists. Seriously, let people like and play what they want.

If anything, purists should be fumed that Lucas left something you are passionate about to rot and stagnate, brining it back and giving us Gungans and JarJar. The EU literature, for the most part has better writing than the actual movies he developed. That should be reason enough to embrace EU. The people who created the universe when it was abandoned by its own creator who has been stuck in "approving content mode" for a very long time, I think he's forgotton how to do it himself.

The EU creators engaged a fanbase when no one else was. I would go so far as to claim that EU published material helped keep people interested in the universe. Interests wax and die if there isn't constant support.

Yeah, let's not get into a debate on the quality of the EU. While there is some good stuff in there, there is also some really, really bad stuff. Let's just say, the EU needs to be abandoned for the new movies. The novels have left the universe and the main characters in such horrible, horrible places to bring them back to cinemas, I welcome a fresh start, so to speak.

Yeah, let's not get into a debate on the quality of the EU. While there is some good stuff in there, there is also some really, really bad stuff. Let's just say, the EU needs to be abandoned for the new movies. The novels have left the universe and the main characters in such horrible, horrible places to bring them back to cinemas, I welcome a fresh start, so to speak.

So what you're saying is you need a angry Romulan with a big spiky ship to fall into a Black Hole and go back in time.

While there he takes it upon himself to completely rewrite the entire history of a long time franchise with 79 orginal episodes, 6 movies (original cast), 178 episodes and 4 movies of Next Generation, 176 episodes of Deep Space Nine and 172 episodes of Voyager. I can't even be bothered to look up the statistics for books and comics there.

I love the two new movies better than any Star Trek I have ever seen. But the destruction of Vulcan, the death of Spocks mother and the alternative Khan story leave me asking why? Why can't you just leave the timeline alone? The story was fine the way it was, couldn't you make an exciting movie without making a nonsense of every episode and movie involving Vulcan and Spocks mother.

What Lucas should have done was started at Episode I and release movies up to Episode IX, then let authors go crazy. Instead he did Episodes IV to VI and left everyone to go nuts with before and after stories.

Now he really needs Nero to blast a black hole in the middle of his franchise.

Sorry if this comes across as a bit of a rant. It's not meant to be. My first sentence was actually a bit of cheek. Guess it's my turn to take a deep breath and not read anymore of the EU vs Movie debate.

Well, actually It's refreshing to see Uhura saying more lines other than "The enemy is hailing us, sir" or "Comms are out sir"

Well, actually It's refreshing to see Uhura saying more lines other than "The enemy is hailing us, sir" or "Comms are out sir"

I must admit, I prefer the cast of characters and like the fact they all have moments to shine. I'm not against the movies, just don't like timelines being messed about with.

Though in real life changing things in history would be a good thing. But this is fiction.

Purist- Usually an excuse to complain about quality added material do to lack of funds. There I said it....

There seems to be a feeling that it's an all or nothing proposition when it comes to liking or accepting the EU. One can like elements from the EU and dislike others - one can pick and choose, and form a personal canon, and still remain free from hypocrisy. Accepting the extra-film naming of generic pilots and named pilots has very little effect on whether the entire kaboodle should be accepted as well.

Creating your own personal canon....I don't know. I think it would be pretty weird if I decided I didn't like the ending of Lord of the Rings, so I let Frodo take a nose dive with my imagination or had them dunk the ring with help from the Eagles, erasing two of the books from my memory.

All content needs approval and was added to a time line. Authors had that established time line to work with and add content, again, with approval from the Grand Pooba of Star Wars or his trusted minions. I was under the impression that everything needed his blessing.


Star Trek is a bad example. They aren't rewriting the time line. It's a different time stream running alongside the old accepted canon. There have been plenty of examples of this happening in the normal episodes. The final two episodes come to mind where all the Enterprise D's from parallel universes had to work together to save..well, everything.

To each their own. If there was any sort of real control of continuity before the upcoming "story group", we wouldn't have as nearly as many contradictions as we do. I'm long given up being on taking continuity seriously. I no longer consider certain stories to be part of the story. Sorry IG-88 Death Star. Sorry TFU. Sorry Fate of the Jedi.

And really, Lucas had an entire division for approvals. You can't possibly think he approved each and every story himself, right?

To each their own. If there was any sort of real control of continuity before the upcoming "story group", we wouldn't have as nearly as many contradictions as we do. I'm long given up being on taking continuity seriously. I no longer consider certain stories to be part of the story. Sorry IG-88 Death Star. Sorry TFU. Sorry Fate of the Jedi.

And really, Lucas had an entire division for approvals. You can't possibly think he approved each and every story himself, right?

Actually, most of the contradictions have been corrected by the Keeper of the Holocron. Star Wars has probably one of the most coherent continuities of any multi-author sci-fi series. I personally have always been impressed at the level of continuity they have managed to maintain over the course of around 30 years of EU.

Oh, and BTW, TFU was actually approved by the Man himself. As was a good chunk of the Vong War (including Chewie's death).

There is a difference between using fictionnal name from the EU on the ship cards and using a miniature model that you didn't see in the movies.

For my part, except for a few one, I didn't know any pilots in this game, they just come with a special ability for my Tie fighters or Tie interceptor or any other ships. It doesn't break the immersion for the 'purists', it's still a symbolic Tie Fighter which just happen to allow other ships to reroll a die...

No, there really isn't though. You can't pick and choose based on when it fits your needs ("your" being general). If your ignorance about a pilot makes it OK to use then your ignorance about a ship should also make it OK to use.

Since pilots don't matter and are only abilities, can we put mickey mouse on a card? I mean, it would still be a symbolic Tie Fighter..

The only people that aren't hypocrites are those that have only used movie ships with generic pilots, outside of the famous (Han,Luke, vader..etc).

I don't even agree with the OP. This whole thing is dumb. This shouldn't be a discussion when the games core set includes EU.

Get. Over. It. And enjoy the game.

I think most people who have seen the movies and have dabbled in EU sources simply see it as "Star Wars". I never once considered a purist stance, because it didn't make sense with how things were set up with the content that followed.

... Since pilots don't matter and are only abilities, can we put mickey mouse on a card? I mean, it would still be a symbolic Tie Fighter.. ...

To be honest, Donald is really the only main character I could see having "the right stuff" to be a fighter pilot. The rest of the gang are too happy go lucky and wouldn't have that killer instinct required to actually shoot someone down. But, with Donald's anger issues, he'd also be a prime candidate for the dark side. Hmm... Darth Duck?

Darth Duck.. Love it. lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arSvw1EVTGQ

Best fan film ever, which should be canon.

Personally, I enjoyed all 6 movies ( although Jar-Jar could've done with a lightsabre through the head real early on ), and I've only read a couple of the novels - but I love it!

What FFG has created is a playable recreation of those fantastic dogfight scenes that were quite often the climax of the story. Who gives a hoot if there's ships that didn't appear in the OT. It's added flavour to a game that would have had a limited life span otherwise. And from my standpoint, when they introduce new ships that I didn't see on film, they're NEW to me and that's pretty cool.

As for purists, get a life. It's science fiction people.

There is a difference between using fictionnal name from the EU on the ship cards and using a miniature model that you didn't see in the movies.

For my part, except for a few one, I didn't know any pilots in this game, they just come with a special ability for my Tie fighters or Tie interceptor or any other ships. It doesn't break the immersion for the 'purists', it's still a symbolic Tie Fighter which just happen to allow other ships to reroll a die...

No, there really isn't though. You can't pick and choose based on when it fits your needs ("your" being general). If your ignorance about a pilot makes it OK to use then your ignorance about a ship should also make it OK to use.

Since pilots don't matter and are only abilities, can we put mickey mouse on a card? I mean, it would still be a symbolic Tie Fighter..

Well, since it's a character from another franchise (even if Disney now owns Lucasfilm, I know), no, it would not be alright. Just like if it would be an existing character from Star Trek, Serenity, any obscure Sci-Fi show, or any other piece of fiction existing. Unless the game would have been sold as Disney character's (or another franchise) flying Star Wars ship... Could be a funny game...

But, if FFG would have created their own pilot's names just for the fun of giving some personality to the game, I do think it would have been alright and not violated the memories of those only attach to the Original Trilogy. I might be wrong about that since I personnaly don't care that they are using the EU so I can't speak for them.