If you are a star wars purist then why would you ever play X-wing??
This game must be so boring for you. Darth Vader is the only Imperial pilot you could use, there are ZERO other pilots named in the 3 films so you cant even use a TIE fighter!!!
I guess you could make up some home rules for just TIE fighters
I'm not sure "needs to be asked" means what you think it means.
If your a purist there is no reason not to play it. It's got X-wings and TIE fighters in it!
Stupid thread is stupid.
If you are a star wars purist then why would you ever play X-wing??
This game must be so boring for you. Darth Vader is the only Imperial pilot you could use, there are ZERO other pilots named in the 3 films so you cant even use a TIE fighter!!!
I guess you could make up some home rules for just TIE fighters
I guess this is one of those "what measure is a true fan" threads which basically asks an unanswerable question. Basically the criteria for playing this game is as follows:
1: Do you like the original Star Wars Trilogy?
2: Do you like the ships in those movies?
3: Do you like the idea of simulating the dogfights?
4: Do you enjoy board games?
5: Are you okay with some basic math to play one?
And if the answer is yes to most or all of those questions, you'll probably play this and like it. I don't see what anything else you're talking about has anything to do with the relevancy of the named pilots. A better question is why are YOU here making silly threads like this?
Well the first post is kinda weird...
I think was he/she meant was: Stop complaining about whats EU and whats not.... Because all of the emperial pilots except Vader(and boba) was never mentioned in the movies, which makes them EU. So if you are a star wars purist you should not complain about EU-ships and pilots, because without them there would be no game...
In my View EU means the European Union....which means lots of confusing bureaucracy.....
Edited by warrasmusI know not of the Extended Universe. Up until a month or two back EU meant European Union. My knowledge of Star Wars came from six movies and the computer games Star Wars Supremacy, Star Wars Battlefront and Star Wars Battlefront II.
Does this mean I'm a purist who would object to playing this game?
Some of you already know the answer to that. Since I'm getting all excited about a certain Z-95 Headhunter I had never heard of before FFG announced it's future release. When I first saw it, I thought it looked stupid. That isn't an objection to any EU, that's just a personal point of view which over time has changed. I believe it is what the experts call " human nature ". There was a time when I didn't like pizza, now I eat a whole one. Sometimes twice a week.
My only objection to any release would be if it isn't " Rebellion Era ". That's it. As long as the ship or craft exists somewhere in the fiction, whether in movie, computer game, comic book or novel form, that's all I care about. I'm loving having my knowledge of the Star Wars universe expanded beyond the movies, and I question the honesty of anyone who calls themselves a Star Wars fan who would object to such expansion.
Does this mean that I'll be fiercely opposed to a " Clone Wars " version of the game, or a game based on the time period of the next three movies?
Short answer: " NO "
I might not buy any, but that would be for financial reasons and not because I object. Some models might make it into my collection if I can afford them, but I'd only consider it if they can square off against Empire or Rebel fleets.
While I think he could have worded his post better, I think the point Stegocent is trying to make is that if you religiously adhere to the gospel according to the Star Wars movies, then you are a hypocrite to then use characters which are obviously not part of the movies.
So to all who worship the original movies:
" Stop whining and enjoy your gaming. If you don't like it, don't use it. Just don't presume to criticise those of us who truly love Star Wars and all it's extended fiction for buying non-movie craft "
Sorry I had a moment of rage.
It just drives me crazy that there is so many people on here complaining about the HWK and wave 4 being all EU ships and hating on the EU in general.
Just suck it up and enjoy all the flavour the books have provided to our beloved Star Wars universe
Deep breath.
Let haters hate and ignore them.
I was trying only to buy ships which was in the OT, because I love those three movies.... but then a freind gave me the Hawk, He is not a starwars-nerd(which means he has no idea where the difference ships are from..OT. PT or EU) he thought it look cool and wanted to do something nice...But goddamn I felt in love with it, love both Jan and kyle(he and I have killed 100s of stormtroopers together, which I had forgotten until I opened the pack) and one of them is often in by squad when playing rebels..
But it is fair that people have their own view on what is "real" star wars for them, I know people who just pretend the the prequels do not exist. While my little nephew thinks that real starwars is "the clonewars"...... I totally disargree but will never tell him, why should I?
I play because the ships are cool looking... for the most part.. I actually like the KOTOR games waaaaaay better than most of the movies. the prequel sequel crap kind of lost/ still loses me... and they never really even attempt to explain the science of things.. unlike Startrek..lol to me the first movie that was made was the best... The rest were all attempts to sell Star-wars Toys in massive amounts..lol which BTW I did not get any... but now i have a full collection of miniatures... go figure...Just hope the next movies are more like the reinvented StarTREK movies and or darker like the good batman movies... sorry if i got off topic i know this was supposed to be a troll post..lol
With the number of Imperial and Rebel ships now available, no-one has to use any that they don't like. In fact the game is getting to the point where many players won't have everything simply due to cost. When a player sits down across from me and sports an XXYY squad, I don't think my first inclination will be "This guy must be an EU hater". So, as long as that guy doesn't get up and walk away when I pull out my squad with a Tie Defender at its core, what's the big deal? Many of us play squads that contain our favorite ships, people who focus on the original trilogy only will just have a smaller pool to draw from. And, thanks to FFG, they'll still have a reasonable chance to win with them.
I say use whatever ships you like, just be prepared to give me a run for my money on game day. You better believe I'll be doing my part to take victory from you. That's all that really matters.
Dangerous opinons you have
Love the games more than the movies..................
Like Anh over Esb..................................................
Like science in trek more then magic in Starwars...
Each to his own.......................................................
If you are a star wars purist then why would you ever play X-wing??
This game must be so boring for you. Darth Vader is the only Imperial pilot you could use, there are ZERO other pilots named in the 3 films so you cant even use a TIE fighter!!!
I guess you could make up some home rules for just TIE fighters
You know, I don't see that as a valid argument against EU haters. There is a difference between using fictionnal name from the EU on the ship cards and using a miniature model that you didn't see in the movies.
For my part, except for a few one, I didn't know any pilots in this game, they just come with a special ability for my Tie fighters or Tie interceptor or any other ships. It doesn't break the immersion for the 'purists', it's still a symbolic Tie Fighter which just happen to allow other ships to reroll a die. I could not care less what his/her name is or if it's a girl or not, it's a f***** Tie fighter and that's all that matters. Knowing who it is is a bonus for those that invested their time to learn about the EU, but in no way necessary to enjoy the game and still get the feeling that it is star wars cause at least, it's still a ship that you grew up with already making a lot of stories about it.
Now, if it's the entire model that is new to you, I can understand the frustration. For my part, I read a couple of star wars book and comics when I was younger, played a couple video games about it, and the old West End Games RPG in the 90s, and currently the Star Wars Comics, so I'm not a stranger to the EU. But even with that knowledge, I won't get the same feeling from confronting a E-Wing squadron that I get from a X-Wing one, same as currently, it would be weird to play against Solo and Lando at the same time: there is only one Millenium Falcon! Good thing for me that I only play casual and I'm the one providing the ships, so I can filtrate what I want to see and what not. Now, if the model was entirely new to me (no knowledge about it) and I was to confront a full squad of it, as much as I don't care about the EU being in the game, it would still lose it's star wars appeal to me, which is a big reason why I started this game in the first place. I would not care that it was used by a famous smuggler in the ultimate book, I would still not see a difference between it and a Star Trek ship.
Conserning the wave 4, I'll buy ships with a little reasoning concerning availability, blame that on my RPG background. So I'll buy 4 Z-95 because it was a common ship and 4 is my go to number for every fighter ships; 1 E-Wing as a prototype model since it started to get use during the Thrawn trilogy 5 years after the battle of Endor, and since I prefer to think that our games happen during Episode 4-6, it will be weird to see it; 2 Tie Defender becasue it was a rare model, and 1 Tie Phantom because it never got pass the prototype stage and they all got blown away, so like the E-Wing, got one as a prototype for scenario purpose.
But all that, is only how I decided to play on my own with my friends. If I were to go in a tournament, I would not care if my opponent fielded 2 Falcon or 3 Firespray, or only E-Wing.
A tournament is a competition, not a rehenactment of the Galactic Civil War.
So, to answer the OP, I can see why a 'purist' would play and enjoy the game, and still be pissed off that the EU is coming in big waves, especially if he was on the tournament scene.
Sorry I had a moment of rage.
It just drives me crazy that there is so many people on here complaining about the HWK and wave 4 being all EU ships and hating on the EU in general.
Just suck it up and enjoy all the flavour the books have provided to our beloved Star Wars universe
I agree. Star Wars is the great American mythology. For those that enjoy Greek myth, is Homer the only poet worth reading? No. We love these characters and we want them to live on in new stories.
This is such an idiotic strawman used by the EU fans against Movie purists. Seriously, let people like and play what they want.
Best to not feed the trolls!
This is such an idiotic strawman used by the EU fans against Movie purists.
I don't approve of the OP but there is a kernel of truth to it. The people who can be rightfully referred to as the OT Purists or as I prefer the Holy Trilogy followers. For them their argument about not including EU stuff in X-Wing is about as flawed as the OP is. Because their argument is that if it wasn't in the OT then it shouldn't be in the game... But as has been pointed out many, many times before, there is already a ton of stuff in the game that wasn't in the OT.
The game itself is technically EU in the first place, since anything that happens in it is not part of the OT.
If you are a star wars purist then why would you ever play X-wing??
This game must be so boring for you. Darth Vader is the only Imperial pilot you could use, there are ZERO other pilots named in the 3 films so you cant even use a TIE fighter!!!
I guess you could make up some home rules for just TIE fighters
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This is such an idiotic strawman used by the EU fans against Movie purists.
I don't approve of the OP but there is a kernel of truth to it. The people who can be rightfully referred to as the OT Purists or as I prefer the Holy Trilogy followers. For them their argument about not including EU stuff in X-Wing is about as flawed as the OP is. Because their argument is that if it wasn't in the OT then it shouldn't be in the game... But as has been pointed out many, many times before, there is already a ton of stuff in the game that wasn't in the OT.
The game itself is technically EU in the first place, since anything that happens in it is not part of the OT.
As I said, it might have more to do with the esthetic of the game. As long as it looks like OT Star Wars on the table, we don't care that the pilot is name Night Beast or Dark Curse and that he did whatever in a book or a game, what they care about is that it's a Tie Fighter with a special ability.
Let's say Joe Average, who has a little Star Wars knowledge but not that much, walks into his LFGS where a game is happening. If he sees 3 X-Wing battling 6 Tie Fighter, he'll know right away that it's Star Wars, nobody has to explain it to him and describe the pilots; That's the ship from the movie, it,s fast, it feels and look like Star Wars. Now, let's say the Rebel side is fielding 2 E-Wing with a HWK, it will looks like any Sci-Fi space dogfighting game. For now, the imperial ship still has the Star Wars Feel, but what if the Hound's Tooth or Virago come in a future wave.
I don't know, again, I'm personally glad that they continue with the EU stuff, but it will feel a little less like Star Wars the more we get more obscure ships from the EU cause the pilots, except for those that we personally know because we played the game or read the book, are just names on a card.
what they care about is that it's a Tie Fighter with a special ability.
For some perhaps, for others no. Or at least if they honestly feel that way they're being hypocritical IMO. When you have someone who refers to the EU as nothing more then bad FanFic... That person can not IMO at least use pilots from the EU and still say things like that.
It's also not just the pilot, it's other things like say seismic charges, all the missiles, the ion turret on the Y-Wing, or even that the Y-Wing is a more heavily armored but slower ship then the X-Wing... All of that is from the EU, and not something that was part of the movies...
In fact according to one drawing I saw, X-Wings, Y-Wings and Tie Fighters were all supposed to be pretty similar in terms of speed and maneuverability. The idea of fast and nimble Ties vs slower X-Wings is from the games and novels.
Edit: Naturally most people don't really fit in either extreme. Few people are so dead set against the EU stuff that they refuse to buy anything from Wave 4 simply because it's not from the OT.
That is not the same thing as people not buying them because they don't like how they look. It's completely fair IMO, to say you don't like how the E-Wing or Phantom looks and not get them for that reason.
I'm talking about the people who refuse to get them, solely for the reason that they're from the EU. Even if they don't mind the design, they still won't get them out of principle.
Edited by VanorDMNo, that is a perfectly valid opinion to have. How is only wanting to have the ships you've seen on screen any different than not liking a particular design? They are different opinions. And to belittle them with such hair splitting, is the height of arrogance.
I do object when others say they shouldn't make some of the ships I want to see. Just because their desires do not mimic mine, does not mean you should ridicule them for playing this game with what they do.
Quick question: is it Momaw Nadon or Hammerhead? Same character, but referred to by different names, depending on many factors.