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"Death by 1000 cuts" -
Personally I would rather see a Large ship only upgrade that allows for a pass on an activation. -
How does randomly determining who goes first fix anything? All you do is prevent half of the fleets that want to go first, from going first. We both agree second player should go last, since that prevents last/first. As it is right now, the players that bid hard get to determine who goes first or second. I think it requires a great amount of skill to look at your opponents list and understand what they -
2 of each (although I still need to pick up a CR90 & AFMK2) -
Maybe you took what he said this way but I think it was in reference to players whose list relies solely on that single tactic to win. Maybe it is specific to my area but I do keep reading a lot of complaints about it from other areas. Maybe you don't agree but I think it's a good idea to at least listen to the players who have established themselves as high skill -
Yay something you me and @Space_Cowboy17all agree on. Is this a sign of good things to come? Or is this the end times?
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That's a real compelling argument you have there. Especially since the turn structure in every other part of D&D minis, which I haven't played, but looked at the actual rules for, is different. -
i felt pretty dirty saturday when having 3 gozantis and fighters won me the game because my opponent couldn't catch me or didn't get an accuracy. I think if they jump the points to 450/500 it could help but also may make it worse. Also I have yet to find a very reliable way to kill them that wasn't just a huge point sink or poor trading. -
Aye, spot on Idie, mate. I initially only spotted 2, but there is an aft set, so it looks like the Hammerhead's whole compliment is 3 twin-laser cannons (I'd sincerely doubt those are turbolasers given that they aren't any larger than an X-wing's cannons and no significant mounting. They may even be proportionally smaller. I mean, that's not much for firepower, and only 2 turrets look to be -
Might make them too good at blocking, which isn't something I'd like to see. -
My question is what fleet, if built and flown well, CANT win in either first or second depending on the other players bid? Why does a coin flip invalidate the "strategy" (right or wrong, mind you) that my fleet needs X points less than yours to beat you, so I want to have the ability to choose when I go? You also have 2 different ideas you're talking about. You can debate the merits -
So what's the problem? I'm reaping an advantage in the meantime being second and letting you twiddle your activational thumbs... Its up to me to make that advantage count, right? -
potentially. 2 Lambdas lets you increase the threat of the alpha. I use a big pusher but after that 2 at a time seems fine. we will see thursday i guess. I really don't like the quasar and for the points you can almost get 3 more activations.
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Also I want to be player 2 with Superior position, contested outpost, and opening Salvo.... -
After Reading this gunnery teams have become so much better in my opinion. I was playing as if you lose the accuracy and chose to spend the reroll -
Also planning grabbing 3 each myself, here. I want to make my already extensive collection feel like a real FLEET, with support craft and everything. -
The only people who would not want this are people so insecure in their ability to win an honest fight that they want a system that has such mechanical holes that they can leverage it to make their games easier. People who build fleets like this don't want an actual ship to ship slug fest, they want to win by using this unfortunate gimmick to bend this otherwise very strategic game to their advantage
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No you are correct not many games out there that still rewards the second player, but to bring in a pass mechanic and change the first player bid would necessitate rebuilding the rules from the ground up. -
Flotillancitos and Flotillancitas happen -
I agree first is powerful, and last/first even more so. Your idea to remove bidding and select a person at random to have initiative doesn't fix the problem. Rather, it makes it more difficult to make a composed fleet and play to your strengths. Demo Avenger wants first. Defiance Ackbar wants second. Understanding fleet builds is important in building your own list so you can construct a fleet in order to beat those. How
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You mean, like the Nose Punch? Great while First, has stupid advantages while Second...
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Man, I want to watch Clon play with a Wall of Gozanti that just rolls forward across the entire map width...
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The point of the coin flip, and the activation pass idea is to make it so first player cannot be built for. I think it is better for the game if everyone builds to be able to take 1st or 2nd and still be confidant in their fleets ability to win. the validity of my ideas should not hing on my ability as a player. My point should stand or fall on its own merit
